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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1703468" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>Corriente cows will work nicely in conventional working pens, chutes,etc. The thing about the Corriente, you don't have to work them. I would not reccomend Angus cows and a Corr bull though. If I had Angus cows, I'd use Angus bulls. No point in breeding down...always breed up. The thing is, you can take 25 purebred commercial Angus cows at $1k or more each, and 25 Corriente cows at $300-$400 each. Breed them all to a homozygous black bull. There will be no difference in the size or appearance in the calves at 6 mos old. And no difference in the money they will bring.</p><p></p><p>I have a thread on the Breeds board..25 pages...about this very subject. I have a friend and partner that we have about 200 acres of cut-over pulp wood that is fenced in, with a pond and a creek running through it. It is in middle GA, and the place is run over with Kudzu. In the more open areas, it is eat up with Johnson grass, broome sage, honeysuckle and some volunteer wheat, rye, millet, sorghum from past dove fields, and some volunteer peas and peanuts from past food plots. This is land we have for quail and rabbit hunting. He put 120 Corriente cows that were bred to black bulls on the land in January. They calved in February. After they had all calved , we rounded them up and tagged the calves and cut the bull calves. Next time we saw them was in August when we rounded them up, cut the calves out and hauled them to the sale barn. That's about as maintenance free as you can get. <a href="https://www.cattletoday.com/threads/we-may-all-be-missing-the-boat-by-not-raising-corrientes.126442/" target="_blank">https://www.cattletoday.com/threads/we-may-all-be-missing-the-boat-by-not-raising-corrientes.126442/</a></p><p></p><p>Back in the early 80's, I started renting a 150 acre farm from my neighbor's widow. He had it crossed fenced into 5 or 6 different pastures, including one are that was about 20 acres of coastal Bermuda. The rest was all fescue. Billy ran about 85 angus cows on this place, including the bermuda field. He'd cut the whole place twice a year for hay, and sometimes bought hay from us to get through the winter. Once I got it, I kept my cows ( about 75-80) off the Bermuda. I kept it sprayed for weeds, and would lime and fertilize to UGA specs. I'd cut it 4 times a year, sometimes 5 if the rains hit right. I would test and fertilize every time I baled it. The day I cut I took the samples and sent them off. When I got the results back in few days, I'd put what the specs called for back on it each time. I would roll the hay twice to get the rolls I needed for my cows, and the other 2 or 3 times I square baled it for horse hay. I had customers that would come pick it up in the field behind the baler. Each time, whether I rolled it or square baled it, I would pick up 30 or so square bales for myself for my horses. The hay I sold more than covered the cost of raising and baling that hay. So yeah, I think you'd do good to section off the best grass and irrigate it for hay. If you did the Corriente cow x Angus bull thing, then you gonna wean those calves about now, and won't be feeding anything but those cows in the winter. If you even have to feed them at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1703468, member: 40587"] Corriente cows will work nicely in conventional working pens, chutes,etc. The thing about the Corriente, you don't have to work them. I would not reccomend Angus cows and a Corr bull though. If I had Angus cows, I'd use Angus bulls. No point in breeding down...always breed up. The thing is, you can take 25 purebred commercial Angus cows at $1k or more each, and 25 Corriente cows at $300-$400 each. Breed them all to a homozygous black bull. There will be no difference in the size or appearance in the calves at 6 mos old. And no difference in the money they will bring. I have a thread on the Breeds board..25 pages...about this very subject. I have a friend and partner that we have about 200 acres of cut-over pulp wood that is fenced in, with a pond and a creek running through it. It is in middle GA, and the place is run over with Kudzu. In the more open areas, it is eat up with Johnson grass, broome sage, honeysuckle and some volunteer wheat, rye, millet, sorghum from past dove fields, and some volunteer peas and peanuts from past food plots. This is land we have for quail and rabbit hunting. He put 120 Corriente cows that were bred to black bulls on the land in January. They calved in February. After they had all calved , we rounded them up and tagged the calves and cut the bull calves. Next time we saw them was in August when we rounded them up, cut the calves out and hauled them to the sale barn. That's about as maintenance free as you can get. [URL]https://www.cattletoday.com/threads/we-may-all-be-missing-the-boat-by-not-raising-corrientes.126442/[/URL] Back in the early 80's, I started renting a 150 acre farm from my neighbor's widow. He had it crossed fenced into 5 or 6 different pastures, including one are that was about 20 acres of coastal Bermuda. The rest was all fescue. Billy ran about 85 angus cows on this place, including the bermuda field. He'd cut the whole place twice a year for hay, and sometimes bought hay from us to get through the winter. Once I got it, I kept my cows ( about 75-80) off the Bermuda. I kept it sprayed for weeds, and would lime and fertilize to UGA specs. I'd cut it 4 times a year, sometimes 5 if the rains hit right. I would test and fertilize every time I baled it. The day I cut I took the samples and sent them off. When I got the results back in few days, I'd put what the specs called for back on it each time. I would roll the hay twice to get the rolls I needed for my cows, and the other 2 or 3 times I square baled it for horse hay. I had customers that would come pick it up in the field behind the baler. Each time, whether I rolled it or square baled it, I would pick up 30 or so square bales for myself for my horses. The hay I sold more than covered the cost of raising and baling that hay. So yeah, I think you'd do good to section off the best grass and irrigate it for hay. If you did the Corriente cow x Angus bull thing, then you gonna wean those calves about now, and won't be feeding anything but those cows in the winter. If you even have to feed them at all. [/QUOTE]
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