appreciate the honesty, but why so much concern on the "next great bull"? I think there's too many choices, too much marketing, for there to be just one or two obvious leaders for a substantial amount of time. And by the time the numbers, accuracies, and reputations are realized, the next bulls are being tried and tested in hopes that they are on to something just like everyone else, the "next best thing". Just my honest opinion.Air gator":4xrc4qs7 said:I probably only noticed the SEN after I saw Southside how high his milk EPD is...I think his milk EPD is 41 now.
I know he has the strong maternal with a lot of Pathfinders in his pedigree.
SEN is not the first thing I look at.
To be honest, just wondering which bull is going to be the next great bull.
ABS has had EXT and In Focus. At this point CED is important,but I also look at CEM.
I don't want massive cows....I also look at SC and HP.
Just FYI I was just on the ABS Store and Counselor is on back order, for what it's worth ...Lucky_P":2fypa3my said:He ain't pretty, but B/R Destination 727-928 has left some very nice daughters here. Nothing that makes them stick out so that you'd notice them - nice cows(smaller frame than I'd expected) with great disposition and good udders, but they get the job done, and well. Has a positive $EN - and has all 6 of the GeneStar tenderness markers (I've not looked at the Zoetis or Igenity data)
Best AI Angus sire I've ever used, hands-down, was Gardens Wave(High marbling/REA, high $EN, all 6 Genestar tenderness markers)... no longer available from ABS... wish I'd used him more, 'cause the daughters here are great little cows that raise really good calves. Now looking for a good Wave son... to try to recreate that deal... ABS has a grandson, Pioneer Wave, that I'm considering.
Recently departed friend, who was a long-time Angus breeder (and had bred some that folks here would recognize the names of) highly recommended Connealy Counselor to me shortly before he passed, as a good Angus sire with balanced traits who'd leave behind good females with good feet and legs...still thinking about buying a cane of Counselor to use at some point, just based on his recommendation.
I will let you know I have second calf registered angus cows that will calf to him in the next couple weeks. we will see how this turns out.etmountianman71":1dkdjex7 said:What are the thoughts of the masterminds on this ABS Angus Bull?
http://abs-bs.absglobal.com/beef/angus.asp?CodTouro=29AN1891
CED BW WW YW RADG YH SC
EPD +15 -0.7 +103 +178 +.36 +1.3 +1.84
CEM MILK H/Dt MW MH HP DOC
EPD +16 +30 1 +139 +1.5 +20.6 6
Pretty decent.
cow pollinater":3bd5wv1w said:I wouldn't use or sell Rampage except as strictly terminal. Very few herds can handle that kind of growth without a trainwreck.
An insightful observation.cow pollinater":19cjykfl said:I'll add that EPD averages are averages across all herds. Everyone expects to see that hundred plus extra pounds when they wean but the reality is that people that really push their calves will beat that hundred pounds and people that are relient on genetics alone and don't push them won't get much more than slightly above average WW.
Those producers would be better served to use genetics that fit their management.