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Hay man said his prices won't change so I'll junp in and buy as much hay as I can early at least 3 rolls per cow. I'll Let my biggest pasture stock pile toward end of growing season
Dave said:My crystal ball is broken. There are thousands on thousands of acres of irrigated ground in the PNW. A lot of it is in a potato, wheat, alfalfa rotation. So a lot of our hay availability depends on the price of other commodities.
Stocker Steve said:Dave said:My crystal ball is broken. There are thousands on thousands of acres of irrigated ground in the PNW. A lot of it is in a potato, wheat, alfalfa rotation. So a lot of our hay availability depends on the price of other commodities.
Standard rotation here used to be corn n alfalfa, now its corn n beans. Price does not seem to matter much.
Climate change effect is huge here - - grassy meadows are getting wetter.
Ya think.Stocker Steve said:Hay prices here have been trending up here since last summer.
Folks expect hay prices to drop (a little) this year. Talking heads are projecting an average reduction of $10/ton for hay. That is still too high for my budget.
As farms get bigger there is not the labor or want to raise hay. As far as weather goes it is a cyclical beast that is out of our control. The climate change believers want an excuse to control the whole economy. I remember when the so called experts were talking of our impending doom of the forthcoming ice age. I am less than 50 yrs old btw. With the weather we have had the last 7 weeks they might be right after all.Stocker Steve said:Dave said:My crystal ball is broken. There are thousands on thousands of acres of irrigated ground in the PNW. A lot of it is in a potato, wheat, alfalfa rotation. So a lot of our hay availability depends on the price of other commodities.
Standard rotation here used to be corn n alfalfa, now its corn n beans. Price does not seem to matter much.
Climate change effect is huge here - - grassy meadows are getting wetter.
How many row crop acres are you seeding down to hay this spring?
W.B. As farms get bigger there is not the labor or want to raise hay. As far as weather goes it is a cyclical beast that is out of our control.[/quote said:Right on about haying labor.
I know the Dakotas go through major dry and wet cycles. I used to live there. But when you look at the US overall - - big rain events have been increasing for the past 60 years in the corn belt. This correlates with increases in corn and bean cultivation. These crops (and the related irrigation), pump up the humidity level each day, by the plants taking in CO2 and putting out water. That moisture has to go somewhere.
So a simple person could blame rainy weather on the ethanol mandate...
Stocker Steve said:W.B. As farms get bigger there is not the labor or want to raise hay. As far as weather goes it is a cyclical beast that is out of our control.[/quote said:Right on about haying labor.
I know the Dakotas go through major dry and wet cycles. I used to live there. But when you look at the US overall - - big rain events have been increasing for the past 60 years in the corn belt. This correlates with increases in corn and bean cultivation. These crops (and the related irrigation), pump up the humidity level each day, by the plants taking in CO2 and putting out water. That moisture has to go somewhere.
So a simple person could blame rainy weather on the ethanol mandate...
So using your logic with all row crops increasing precipitation shouldn't those folks in Kentucky be going through their driest months right now. Corn and beans have been done for the season for a while now. The thing is dry cycles and wet cycles can last longer than some of us live. Climate change is a convenient explanation for those than long for more govt. control of everything. Make no mistake they want more control.
kenny thomas said:Good to plan but also plan that it's really hard to get past 10 months. It can be done but in the plan figure for 2 months of hay available if needed.bigbluegrass said:I am going to attempt to "kick the hay habit". I think it will take at least three years. Next year I hope I can graze stockpiled grass until January and cut my hay cost in half. The year after, hopefully I can make it until February. The third year I am hoping not to need hay. I plan to build a hay barn in the next three years to store what I hope is an emergency storage of hay for a drought year or when the grass doesn't stockpile so well.
I may need to cull some cows along the way.
bigbluegrass With a cow/calf operation it is difficult to match the cheapest available feed supply to maximize profits. A little bit of hay can allow you to stay at a higher stocking rate. Are there times it is more profitable to buy 2 months of hay and stay at a higher stocking rate? I expect there probably are. An obvious example seems to be when cattle are high and hay is cheap. However said:Yes. "Have to run the numbers." I like the U of Kentucky spreadsheet for bred cow n heifer values.
Cow herd inventory management is all the rage in some sell/buy circles. Obviously hay inventory management is another opportunity. Could sell both... :cowboy:
Maybe a guy could pay for at least part of the new hay barn buying hay in surplus years, storing it a year or two and selling it on drought years. Buy high, sell low... err no wait, that probably only works with cattle :lol:Stocker Steve said:Cow herd inventory management is all the rage in some sell/buy circles. Obviously hay inventory management is another opportunity. Could sell both... :cowboy:
Stocker Steve said:Zero, unless we have severe winter kill, no plan to do new seeding till 2020.How many row crop acres are you seeding down to hay this spring?
kentuckyguy said:Banjo are you using the management intensive grazing methods?
I purchased the book but I'm only a couple chapters into it so far.
Had a poster years back who did that - - bought hay below a certain price and sold hay above a certain price. Sometimes shedded hay for 3+ years, but did not seem concerned. CDs were not paying that well.
Hard to pay for a contractor built metal shed with beef hay. Dairy hay is different. I have wondered about a hoop building, vs a wrapper?
Stocker Steve said:Had a poster years back who did that - - bought hay below a certain price and sold hay above a certain price. Sometimes shedded hay for 3+ years, but did not seem concerned. CDs were not paying that well.
Hard to pay for a contractor built metal shed with beef hay. Dairy hay is different. I have wondered about a hoop building, vs a wrapper?
Hoop buildings don't like snow loads. One of the locals lost his during the last snow dump, was empty of hay that he sold, so it flattened it right to the ground. Surprised neighbor hasn't lost his - might be a costly experience with feeder cattle underneath.
Stocker Steve said:Sounds like you need very good insurance for hoop housing.
What do inline wrappers run in your area?