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I will have to agree with you on that. I want nothing to do with Amish raised or trained horses. They have no respect for any kind of animal, domestic or wildlife. They might not want to have anything to do with machines or technology, but they treat their animals like they are machines instead of living things.
Some are better than others about caring for their animals, I've seen some good looking livestock on some farms and then seen some pretty rough looking situations from others.
Was in line at a stockyards behind some Amish and more than once seen them bring in cows that could barely stand. They worked and worked trying to get them up and it wasn't pretty.
Another situation was told about by a friend that some Amish had the vet out with their horses, vet said wasn't anything wrong with the horses except that were starving and needed something to eat.
 
Another situation was told about by a friend that some Amish had the vet out with their horses, vet said wasn't anything wrong with the horses except that were starving and needed something to eat.
Since I have a very close relationship with a vet (daughter), I can say that is not unique to any specific group of people. And not too uncommon. And owners that will say that they are "a little thin" because they are old. Yet will be on a bare pasture with no hay or rotten hay. Usually get those calls when an animal is already down. Results are not good. Some people are bad and some are just - well very ignorant or don't care or worse.

And horses can reach a point where the solution is not to just feed them lot's of grain. There is something called Refeeding Syndrome. They will need lots of high protein alfalfa first for a good while before they are given a little grain. And slowing increasing the grain. Something about blood chemistry or something. I don't know the details, just that putting a starving horse back on a normal feed can kill it. If you can convince the owners that they have starved the horse, then you have to convince them to not put them on a "good" grain feed right away.
 
Amish guy did all the finish carpentry - door frames baseboards, stairs, stair rails, etc. in our house when we built it back in 1994. Did a great job.
10 years later, wife had a big sunroom added to the south end of the house. Windows were custom-built by a local Amish outfit. They are garbage.

Lots of Amish & Mennonites in this area, and more coming in every day. If we ever decide to sell this farm, I'm pretty sure it'll go to Amish or Mennonite buyers.

We have a lakehouse on Lake Beshear, about 20 miles away. There's a Mennonite family that owns a house across the slough from us. They have a pontoon and a high-powered ski boat. Pretty common to see the men in their hats & suspenders, on the boats, pulling boys in t-shirt & shorts on skis, tubes, etc. The young girls swim around the dock in their full dresses, but I've never seen the ladies come off the porch/deck.
 
Since I have a very close relationship with a vet (daughter), I can say that is not unique to any specific group of people. And not too uncommon. And owners that will say that they are "a little thin" because they are old. Yet will be on a bare pasture with no hay or rotten hay. Usually get those calls when an animal is already down. Results are not good. Some people are bad and some are just - well very ignorant or don't care or worse.

And horses can reach a point where the solution is not to just feed them lot's of grain. There is something called Refeeding Syndrome. They will need lots of high protein alfalfa first for a good while before they are given a little grain. And slowing increasing the grain. Something about blood chemistry or something. I don't know the details, just that putting a starving horse back on a normal feed can kill it. If you can convince the owners that they have starved the horse, then you have to convince them to not put them on a "good" grain feed right away.
I agree it's not specific to any people group. I know of several "English" owned livestock that are good n pretty sad state of affairs,
The Amish situations I was referring to are not likely representative of the larger community, but in that area as of some years ago there were some different individuals that had poor conditioned horses and cattle. A friend of mine that lived across from a situation like that said he voluntarily took some hay to a group of calves in a dry lot. He also talked with them about his concerns. It was a young family. He ended up selling them more hay I believe.
 
Some are better than others about caring for their animals, I've seen some good looking livestock on some farms and then seen some pretty rough looking situations from others.
Was in line at a stockyards behind some Amish and more than once seen them bring in cows that could barely stand. They worked and worked trying to get them up and it wasn't pretty.
Another situation was told about by a friend that some Amish had the vet out with their horses, vet said wasn't anything wrong with the horses except that were starving and needed something to eat.
I wasn't just talking about how they feed them, as much as how bad they abuse them.
 
I will have to agree with you on that. I want nothing to do with Amish raised or trained horses. They have no respect for any kind of animal, domestic or wildlife. They might not want to have anything to do with machines or technology, but they treat their animals like they are machines instead of living things.
Exactly, animals are simple a means to an end for them... there is no respect for the animal...
Very well put @SeGaSthrncwboy .
 
I wasn't just talking about how they feed them, as much as how bad they abuse them.
I've heard of that and it would not surprise me, knowing about some of the old ways of handling animals by sone of the "English" here in past generations.
I have seen some pretty rough treatment a couple of times where Amish have been trying to get downed cows up and offloaded from trailers at stockyards. Wasn't a pleasant sight.
On that note I've also seen an "English" cattle hauler use a hotshot several times for good measure after he closed the trailer gate when he loaded out after cattle sale.
 
Some people, and pretty sure Amish qualify, take their Bible pretty seriously. They believe people have dominion over animals and can use them as they like.
I don't know what kind of f*&^&d Bible those people are reading, or if they are just too ignorant to know what "dominion over" means. A lot of them don't know what "the man is to be the head of the family" means either. There is a correlation there. Show me a man that is cruel to animals, and I can show you one that most likely abuses kids and/or hits women. and vice versa. And they are cowards. Never saw a man that hits women, that can fight a real man.
 
It is all in the interpretation.... every single one of the different faiths has their own interpretation... and the "dominion over" part that they interpret is for the animal to serve their purpose and to be disposed of if it doesn't... there is NO sentimentality in their way of thinking. I do not say they are unnecessarily cruel, but that the animals are there just for them to make a living off of...
Case...... one dairy I used to test had a beautiful white german shepherd that was a sweetheart. I have a very soft spot for german shepherds. One time I tested, one of the 7-8 kids? said they were thinking of getting rid of Emmy... I said why... they said, they wanted to get a norwegian elkhound... I asked so why get rid of Emmy, they said we're tired of her. I said, well if you ever decide to get rid of her to call me... I figured it was just "kids talking" like they do...

Lo and behold, a month later I get a call.... Do you still want Emmy???? I am trying to think of who this was... no prelude nothing.... and I said who is this... this is the #@#$$#, do you still want Emmy? and I said well, sure, why; well we're getting a new dog and need to get rid of her...can you come get her.... and I said.... Ah, okay, when do you want me to come get her? Well, can you come today????? I mean, REALLY.... this dog had been on their farm for nearly 3 years with their family, gotten from a neighbor that got transferred when the dog was about 8 months old and couldn't take her...
So, I went and got her... that afternoon... they said that was good they were getting their new dog on Friday (this was Wed)....no tears, no goodbyes, just "get rid of her".... I brought her home, luckily she knew me from a couple years of testing their cows... and for several days she stuck to me like glue... because she didn't understand what had happened... I had her 8+ years and a better, more faithful, sweet dispositioned dog you couldn't find. Lost her to leukemia when she over 12...
They just "threw her away" like she was nothing... an old sock or something used up and of no worth to them.......
Lost all my respect for them that day..... and then I started seeing more and more how animals are just possessions to them... use them up, throw them away, get another one...
 
I've heard of that and it would not surprise me, knowing about some of the old ways of handling animals by sone of the "English" here in past generations.
I have seen some pretty rough treatment a couple of times where Amish have been trying to get downed cows up and offloaded from trailers at stockyards. Wasn't a pleasant sight.
On that note I've also seen an "English" cattle hauler use a hotshot several times for good measure after he closed the trailer gate when he loaded out after cattle sale.

Yeah, I have had a couple of altercations with them myself. One was when I was at school, and there was an equine fair on South Campus ( UGA). There was some Amish there, or may have been Mennonites, because they had a horse trailer. We were walking by, and one of them was stranding in the trailer with his back to the door, and had a horse on a lead rope, backed up into the nose, and he was flailing the heck out of it in the face and head, trying to get it to come out. If the horse had tried to come out, he would have bulldozed that fool. I yelled at him and told him to stop, and he just turned and said something to me in German or Dutch, I guess, and reared back and hit the horse again. People always say they are pacifist, won't fight or anything. But let me tell you, they will once they get quirted in the head a couple of times! Or try to, anyway.
 
It is all in the interpretation.... every single one of the different faiths has their own interpretation... and the "dominion over" part that they interpret is for the animal to serve their purpose and to be disposed of if it doesn't... there is NO sentimentality in their way of thinking. I do not say they are unnecessarily cruel, but that the animals are there just for them to make a living off of...
Case...... one dairy I used to test had a beautiful white german shepherd that was a sweetheart. I have a very soft spot for german shepherds. One time I tested, one of the 7-8 kids? said they were thinking of getting rid of Emmy... I said why... they said, they wanted to get a norwegian elkhound... I asked so why get rid of Emmy, they said we're tired of her. I said, well if you ever decide to get rid of her to call me... I figured it was just "kids talking" like they do...

Lo and behold, a month later I get a call.... Do you still want Emmy???? I am trying to think of who this was... no prelude nothing.... and I said who is this... this is the #@#$$#, do you still want Emmy? and I said well, sure, why; well we're getting a new dog and need to get rid of her...can you come get her.... and I said.... Ah, okay, when do you want me to come get her? Well, can you come today????? I mean, REALLY.... this dog had been on their farm for nearly 3 years with their family, gotten from a neighbor that got transferred when the dog was about 8 months old and couldn't take her...
So, I went and got her... that afternoon... they said that was good they were getting their new dog on Friday (this was Wed)....no tears, no goodbyes, just "get rid of her".... I brought her home, luckily she knew me from a couple years of testing their cows... and for several days she stuck to me like glue... because she didn't understand what had happened... I had her 8+ years and a better, more faithful, sweet dispositioned dog you couldn't find. Lost her to leukemia when she over 12...
They just "threw her away" like she was nothing... an old sock or something used up and of no worth to them.......
Lost all my respect for them that day..... and then I started seeing more and more how animals are just possessions to them... use them up, throw them away, get another one...
Well, thank God for you. The dog ended up in a much better home, no doubt.
 
It is all in the interpretation.... every single one of the different faiths has their own interpretation... and the "dominion over" part that they interpret is for the animal to serve their purpose and to be disposed of if it doesn't... there is NO sentimentality in their way of thinking. I do not say they are unnecessarily cruel, but that the animals are there just for them to make a living off of...
Case...... one dairy I used to test had a beautiful white german shepherd that was a sweetheart. I have a very soft spot for german shepherds. One time I tested, one of the 7-8 kids? said they were thinking of getting rid of Emmy... I said why... they said, they wanted to get a norwegian elkhound... I asked so why get rid of Emmy, they said we're tired of her. I said, well if you ever decide to get rid of her to call me... I figured it was just "kids talking" like they do...

Lo and behold, a month later I get a call.... Do you still want Emmy???? I am trying to think of who this was... no prelude nothing.... and I said who is this... this is the #@#$$#, do you still want Emmy? and I said well, sure, why; well we're getting a new dog and need to get rid of her...can you come get her.... and I said.... Ah, okay, when do you want me to come get her? Well, can you come today????? I mean, REALLY.... this dog had been on their farm for nearly 3 years with their family, gotten from a neighbor that got transferred when the dog was about 8 months old and couldn't take her...
So, I went and got her... that afternoon... they said that was good they were getting their new dog on Friday (this was Wed)....no tears, no goodbyes, just "get rid of her".... I brought her home, luckily she knew me from a couple years of testing their cows... and for several days she stuck to me like glue... because she didn't understand what had happened... I had her 8+ years and a better, more faithful, sweet dispositioned dog you couldn't find. Lost her to leukemia when she over 12...
They just "threw her away" like she was nothing... an old sock or something used up and of no worth to them.......
Lost all my respect for them that day..... and then I started seeing more and more how animals are just possessions to them... use them up, throw them away, get another one...
I know that some of the Amish in northeastern KY raise dogs, probably what they call puppy mills,
After reading your post, it makes me wonder if some of the dropped dogs around here lately are a result of Amish moving into the area.
Yeah, the Amish are all business, no sentiment. From what I understand from listening to some former Amish is that they are not supposed to even show emotions to their families, it is viewed as worldly,
A former Amish man that left as a young adult and is now a truck driver/preacher does social media videos. He said that after he left his father found out where he was working and came to see him. Said it was the first time he had ever heard his father say he lived him. He said they didn't ever say that it the parents to each other or to their children.
From what he says his father was a very troubled man due to all of the rules of the Amish. He often got drunk and was often shunned. He was planning on leaving the Amish and had planned to have his son pick him up, but he was conflicted about leaving because of his wife and other children, he committed suicide the night before he had planned to leave.
The truck driver/preacher said his mother will not allow him or another brother that left the Amish come back to visit her, and had said that she does not want them to come to her funeral.
His sisters will not allow them to visit either.
He has a twin brother and another brother that joined a less strict Amish community in TN. They have maintained relationship with him. He said they would have left the Amish but didn't want their mother to sever ties with them.
 
I know that some of the Amish in northeastern KY raise dogs, probably what they call puppy mills,
After reading your post, it makes me wonder if some of the dropped dogs around here lately are a result of Amish moving into the area.
Yeah, the Amish are all business, no sentiment. From what I understand from listening to some former Amish is that they are not supposed to even show emotions to their families, it is viewed as worldly,
A former Amish man that left as a young adult and is now a truck driver/preacher does social media videos. He said that after he left his father found out where he was working and came to see him. Said it was the first time he had ever heard his father say he lived him. He said they didn't ever say that it the parents to each other or to their children.
From what he says his father was a very troubled man due to all of the rules of the Amish. He often got drunk and was often shunned. He was planning on leaving the Amish and had planned to have his son pick him up, but he was conflicted about leaving because of his wife and other children, he committed suicide the night before he had planned to leave.
The truck driver/preacher said his mother will not allow him or another brother that left the Amish come back to visit her, and had said that she does not want them to come to her funeral.
His sisters will not allow them to visit either.
He has a twin brother and another brother that joined a less strict Amish community in TN. They have maintained relationship with him. He said they would have left the Amish but didn't want their mother to sever ties with them.
The first and most important indication that any kind of ideology is a cult is when they have some kind of test of faith. Anybody using a test of faith is in a cult. Religion, politics, whatever...
 
Amish guy did all the finish carpentry - door frames baseboards, stairs, stair rails, etc. in our house when we built it back in 1994. Did a great job.
10 years later, wife had a big sunroom added to the south end of the house. Windows were custom-built by a local Amish outfit. They are garbage.

Lots of Amish & Mennonites in this area, and more coming in every day. If we ever decide to sell this farm, I'm pretty sure it'll go to Amish or Mennonite buyers.

We have a lakehouse on Lake Beshear, about 20 miles away. There's a Mennonite family that owns a house across the slough from us. They have a pontoon and a high-powered ski boat. Pretty common to see the men in their hats & suspenders, on the boats, pulling boys in t-shirt & shorts on skis, tubes, etc. The young girls swim around the dock in their full dresses, but I've never seen the ladies come off the porch/deck.

I'm shocked the mennonites have gone out to Lake Beshear. but I guess I shouldn't be.

They have all but taken over Crofton. I saw the Seay machinery auction in Crofton on Machinery Pete before Christmas. I would almost bet my shirt that mennonites bought all of those JD tractors and paid over $70K for some of the 4455's. I'd say auctions are there form of gambling in a sense.
 
I know that some of the Amish in northeastern KY raise dogs, probably what they call puppy mills,
After reading your post, it makes me wonder if some of the dropped dogs around here lately are a result of Amish moving into the area.
I doubt it, they won't waste time taking them somewhere. Any dog (or any animal) without value is just shot. I doubt they even consider any other options.
 
I doubt it, they won't waste time taking them somewhere. Any dog (or any animal) without value is just shot. I doubt they even consider any other options.
Maybe, I just had thought of that angle since it's becoming more prevalent around the area that they've come into recently. On that same note though a lot of other people are moving into the area too.
 
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