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I will totally agree that the Amish are superb craftsman when it comes to building. For the most part, they have a good work ethic. And yes, there are very good decent ones... but they as a whole put themselves above the average person.
That said, I have a couple friends, younger people, that have left their "orders" and have talked to me about some of the things that caused them to do so, and the stories are not pleasant.

Being shrewd in business is one thing, but they can be alot worse than "less than generous". They are very good at taking advantage of someone because of the very image they project of being such plain decent people.....

Many do not respect boundaries, like not trespassing, if there is no one around to enforce it.
Sounds a lot like Utah...

"Your property is crap... but mine is gold." Whenever they are trying to buy or sell.
 
An Amish man who lives near me runs a grocery store where I often buy sourdough bread and such. He is quite a character and very accommodating. Each Friday he and his family like to eat at a sort of road house restaurant in an adjoining county. Too far away for the buggy so he hires someone to drive his whole family there. One son is in a wheelchair, so they all get in an enclosed trailer with windows, pulled behind a pick up.
Well, they had a low tire one night and did some swerving before pulling over. A passerby saw the trailer full of odd looking people and called the police. thinking it was a load of illegal aliens. Within minutes the local sheriff, state police and what looked like a swat team had them pulled over and lined up outside the trailer.
Everyone rides him over this and he laughs along, but I doubt he will ever forget it.
 
I sold an Amish a house an took him to the bank to borrow the money. They do pay taxes, have smart phones and just about everything but a vehicle (our Amish). From my take there are good ones and some not as good, but so far, I will take them over a lot. You can forget about buying land around here because they have it bought the day it is listed it seems and will pay crazy for land at auction if it is in the area they want.

We are a poor far back area, and they probably have help cause every time I go to the store, they have buggies full.
 
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An Amish man who lives near me runs a grocery store where I often buy sourdough bread and such. He is quite a character and very accommodating. Each Friday he and his family like to eat at a sort of road house restaurant in an adjoining county. Too far away for the buggy so he hires someone to drive his whole family there. One son is in a wheelchair, so they all get in an enclosed trailer with windows, pulled behind a pick up.
Well, they had a low tire one night and did some swerving before pulling over. A passerby saw the trailer full of odd looking people and called the police. thinking it was a load of illegal aliens. Within minutes the local sheriff, state police and what looked like a swat team had them pulled over and lined up outside the trailer.
Everyone rides him over this and he laughs along, but I doubt he will ever forget it.
I was told it is illegal here for a person (human) to ride in a trailer that is pulled behind a truck ....on a state road......guess it is due to possibly coming detached from the truck (pulling vehicle)??? Never looked it up....
 
I agree most of the community is good, i really like your neighbor and most of the others. But this one just keeps being pushy. The fact that he went to the cave after being told not to plus took other people just pissed me off.
I sold 22 acres of land joining him a couple years ago because i could see we weren't going to get along. He told me that I was going to have to pay 1/2 on updating a cattle fence so it would keep his sheep in. I didn't have sheep and didn't have cattle on that land. He offered to buy it if i would hold it for a year and take 70% of what i sold it for a week later.
Think i will go today and try to buy it back.
Here in Minnesota, our current state fence law stipulates that each landowner on a shared boundary is responsible for paying for, installing, and maintaining half the fence, regardless of what kind of fence is desired or required. If ONE of the property owners desires a fence, BOTH parties MUST share in the responsibility for that fence, period. Doesn't matter if the guy even has a justification for wanting it, like he wants to run livestock... sheep, goats, hogs, cattle, ...elephants, doesn't matter, he doesn't NEED to have a reason, he just has to WANT a fence on that property line. (Pretty much NONE of the townies that want to move out into the country are aware of this STATE LAW required responsibility). If there are "property boundary or application of fence law disputes", the town board is the fence authority that decides what is required, and their decision is final. If a property owner refuses, the other property owner can hire the designated fence installed on the property line, and bill the beligerant property owner through the town board. If he doesn't ante-up, he can be sued, or the cost is added onto his property taxes, and eventually recovered by the property owner who had to install the fence. If he refuses to pay his taxes, his property eventually can be sold to recover them at a sheriff's sale. "Force of Law" stuff.

In this case, if your neighbor wants to keep sheep, you'd have to pay for, install and maintain your half of the fence on the shared property line. Meet at the middle of the shared property line and shake hands... the half that's on your right is your responsibility, TO THE DESIRED SPECIFICATIONS. Used to be that a specific TYPE of fence was minimum... woven wire up to 32", with two strands of barb above that, top wire at a minimum of 42".. support posts set at a required maximum distance, etc. Essentially, it was required to be reasonably good enough to hold in about any of the commonly kept farm critters. THIS was one of the minimum "improvements" that were required to qualify for the homesteading of a place. Today, it's more a matter of "mutual agreement", and if that isn't achieved, the "fence authority" is the determinant of the type of fence required.

These "fence laws" and the "good fences" they required made for "good neighbors"... permanently defining where the property line was at, resulting in relatively few property boundary disputes... RIGHT UP UNTIL NOBODY FELT IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO ENFORCE THE FENCE LAW ANYMORE, and most all of the fences disappeared when the livestock did, and then nobody wanted to "upset the neighbor" by "requiring" them to build a property line defining fence... and over time, the "livestockless farmers" got greedy, and got bigger and bigger equipment, and intentionally plowed "right up to the property line" (Earl Butz fencerow to fencerow farming"... except there was no more fencerows!), which in most cases then meant "a few feet over" the property line as long as you can get away with it, and in some cases that I've seen on mine and some of my neighbors properties... as much as 6 rows and more OVER the property line. And if they've gotten away with this for a number of years, and all the property boundary lines have been eradicated, they then feel "entitled" to those extra few feet, even if a survey determines that they're in the wrong... in that case, THE SURVEYOR and his survey "are wrong"... it's always been whereever they're plowing to.

The fence law is "good", and has a purpose. It avoids property line conflicts between neighbors. In my case, I just install the whole fence on these property lines, and I maintain them... and don't bother the neighbor who doesn't have livestock. I don't want to ruffle any feathers... BUT THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THEIR PORTION OF THAT FENCE ON THAT SHARED PROPERTY LINE!
 
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I was told it is illegal here for a person (human) to ride in a trailer that is pulled behind a truck ....on a state road......guess it is due to possibly coming detached from the truck (pulling vehicle)??? Never looked it up....
Not illegal in most places, IF it's a gooseneck/5th wheel trailer, AND YOU HAVE COMMUNICATION CAPABILITY BETWEEN THE TRUCK DRIVER AND THOSE IN THE TRAILER, as I understand it. That's not to say that it's "smart"!
 
We've got Mennonite groups here too. The ones we deal with are great people and care about their family/church group and the community. They all do awesome work as well. They are pricey and about the money though. They seem the happiest when they have the Mission trailer out doing charity work for someone in need. They buy up all the land too. In the next county over the Mennonite community's aren't the same as we have here. Never any bad dealings with them but they get pretty wild.

I'd say we are the trailer manufacturing capital of the US here and most of those companies are owned or started by Mennonites.
 
We have fence in and fence out counties here in Va... we run cattle in 2 counties, 1 is a fence in, and one is a fence out ..... and it also has to do with county law as to if there are livestock on both sides or not...who is financially responsible... gets complicated
 
We have fence in and fence out counties here in Va... we run cattle in 2 counties, 1 is a fence in, and one is a fence out ..... and it also has to do with county law as to if there are livestock on both sides or not...who is financially responsible... gets complicated
Here we have Fence In, but if i dont have livestock on my side im legally not responsible for a fence of any type.
The farms where i keep cattle the adjoining landowners work together and keep great fences. I pay for half of a 6 stran barb wire and then i add 1or 2 stran of high tensel hot wire. It eliminates the bull problems.
 
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We've got Mennonite groups here too. The ones we deal with are great people and care about their family/church group and the community. They all do awesome work as well. They are pricey and about the money though. They seem the happiest when they have the Mission trailer out doing charity work for someone in need. They buy up all the land too. In the next county over the Mennonite community's aren't the same as we have here. Never any bad dealings with them but they get pretty wild.

I'd say we are the trailer manufacturing capital of the US here and most of those companies are owned or started by Mennonites.
We have Mennonite also. Very different but very good people.
 
Yup, Minnesota is "fence out". Kinda wierd to have it both ways in a state... for sure would get confusing... and confusing leads to lawsuits.
 
Yes, i paid for a 32ft ladder last spring so my brother and family can go down into the cave.View attachment 52569View attachment 52570
I hope he had his bow with him, not a rifle. I don't think he'd want to discharge a firearm in there.

That said, what was the outcome with the buck? I think I missed that part.

The cave looks pretty fascinating, but I don't think I'd be going in.
 
I hope he had his bow with him, not a rifle. I don't think he'd want to discharge a firearm in there.

That said, what was the outcome with the buck? I think I missed that part.

The cave looks pretty fascinating, but I don't think I'd be going in.
One was dead yesterday and i haven't talked to my brother today about the second one.
 
The Amish are far from the perfect people... I have dealt with many of them over the years... Mennonites etc... believe me... they are the most self centered, think they are better than .... group of people I have ever met overall... and everything has a "money value on it" .... there is no caring, sentimental feelings in any of them for any animal or anything. Do you know that the amish have more "puppy mills" than any other group of people...
I will have to agree with you on that. I want nothing to do with Amish raised or trained horses. They have no respect for any kind of animal, domestic or wildlife. They might not want to have anything to do with machines or technology, but they treat their animals like they are machines instead of living things.
 

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