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The bull in the 2nd picture would be my pick. I wish he had a little more depth to his flank and more lower quarter. He would make some nice baldies.

A.I. Certificates are a way for breed associations to make money and a way for bull owners to help ensure that the poor progeny don't make it into the breed registry.

Going off a single candid picture of each animal...128 is my least favorite of the bunch. He appears too coarse and too shallow heeled for my liking. Would have to see them in person to make a truly worthwhile evaluation.

Have you thought about TC Total 410? He's also at Select Sires.

I like his dam & the few daughters of his that I've seen. I also like that he's more balanced than extreme in most of his EPDs. I do wish his scrotal and docility EPDs were higher. But I don't keep any cows around that have temperment issues, so I don't see the DOC being a problem. As far...

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Somebody's trying real hard. Even if they are hijacking the thread. ;-)

Maybe your title should have been..."1 for the show ppl here" There are plenty of Angus folks who have never put a halter on a hamburger. :)

I tend to agree with you, Oldtimer. My point was that people who choose to do what you describe should refrain from making assumptions about what those other genetics would do in their environment. Unless they have first hand experience, it just comes off as jealousy/sour grapes. Anyway, if...

You can disagree with the management style all you want, but unless you've tried and compared the genetics in your own environment, you have no basis for saying that they won't increase your performance without extra feed, etc. Now, if you choose not to use the genetics because you disagree...

S A V Final Answer sold over 30,000 units of semen in either 2009 or 2010 (maybe both). Not bad for a $15,000 bull. :D Anyway, that 19,000 number on In Focus is probably the registered progeny, isn't it? He was used extremely hard (and probably still is) in a lot of commercial herds as...

No personal experience, but heard from a guy who uses both pretty heavily that the Right Answer calves are better at his place.

I agree that it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but never say never. Once in a great while that high dollar cow will have a son that sells 2/3 interest for $50,000 to $75,000 and selsl 20,000 units of semen & a bunch of A.I. certificates for a few years in a row. Then embryos and a flush or two are sold...

Do you know what the genetics are behind the replacements they buy? Nice looking cows.

I never said anything about leather. I said sheath. And I said too much for MY LIKING. <---And that's strictly based on THIS ONE PICTURE that I've seen. Anyway, you titled your thread "Angus bull to pick apart" so I mentioned something I didn't like about him. I could have mentioned a few...

You left out the rump fat and rib fat measurements. ;-) Also, he has too much sheath for my liking.

The ironic thing is...the people who felt the need to weigh in on this post even though they take issue with it have just been bumping it back up and giving it more exposure. :dunce: :D :D :D

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