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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 17, 2019 12:45 pm

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Just look at that milk!!! Do you understand milk, and what it does?
Yes I do. Stacking well above average milk EPD's in a breed that supposedly is maternal is asking for trouble on all accounts.
Her dam is top 2% for milk and has raised a son and a daughter which we own, that were big, really big. They never went hungry, that’s for sure.
All well & good but your Stonegate dam is a 10/2011 model with 2 progeny records and moreover calved recently. Obviously her CI is less than sterling.
Her calf right now can’t even begin to take down all the milk she is producing, and she is nursing like crazy. I have video, momma’s sack looked like 4 basketballs when she was born, it’s coming down now.
Trust by "sack" you meant udder. Between you & me & the gate post, I wouldn't be bragging about basket ball sized quarters.
She has other progeny, I just don't own them. But judging from the Raindance calf that her daughter gave us recently, I wish I had more like her.


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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 17, 2019 12:47 pm

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I got a message from "Young" today. AAA corrected the genealogy of the bull and changed the epds. His bull turned into a calving ease bull with pretty much the same expected performance. I went back through the pedigree on his bull, that fella is double bred to Blackcap May 4136..............$5,000 he got a deal, I don't care if its Rainmaker, Rainfall, Raindance or Rainwhenever, he got a really nice bull, bred with great maternal influence. His bull ought to be a female making machine. If I had that guy on my place, we wouldn't touch a straw of semen for couple of years. SAV might have goofed up, but Kelly made a great purchase for Young. Looking forward to seeing his progeny.
I never ONCE said he got a bad bull, in fact I think he got a VERY GOOD bull.

All I was saying is that if you are breeding to get a specific animal in your herd, a mix up can cause issues generations down. This business is too hard to hit the reset button several times over.
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Bright Raven » Fri May 17, 2019 1:02 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:37 pm
Lazy M wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 6:38 am
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm


Name an Angus operation in Kentucky where EVERY bull in the sale was a direct AI son? I asked my ABS rep who should know better than I do, and he said he has never seen a major sale here where EVERY SINGLE bull is sired via AI and is proven with a DNA test for parentage.

Please post the operation, I want to see their AAA sale report, just curious.
Start with Boyd's. Keep in mind that the ABS guy is a SALESMAN and will feed into your distorted self grandiosity if it will help him sell you a few more straws. I'm sure he rolls his eyes and chuckles as he pulls out of your place.
You misunderstood what I said. I'm talking a sale where EVERY bull is from a TOP AI sire. I'm not talking about the second string lineup.

Even Boyd is using a couple of his own bulls to sire the lots in that sale. One more thing according to NEFarmWife, if your "Daddy" set you up in the business you are disqualified from getting in on the Angus action. She said it, and we all know she is the "AUTHORITY" on Angus.

Grandiosity? Again, I think people like you affirm that we are making big inroads in a "Good ole boy" closed off business. At the end of the day, it's not about anything BUT the ANIMAL standing in front of you, and what we are producing is not exactly available everywhere you turn. You discount the effort and hard work that has gone into our operation as if everyone is doing this, not everyone is committed to what it takes to produce next level stock. You almost have me thinking that you are a competitor in Kentucky????

I feel at times that the seed stock producers in Kentucky have a conference call and they all agree to breed to the same sires, because each annual sale just has variations of the same theme. If that's what you like, great, but I like to take things in a different direction, the road less traveled. There is nothing wrong with playing it safe, but it becomes very boring at times. I think what really bothers you is that I don't have a carefully curated reputation to protect. I don't have to worry that if I say something, I might offend someone. I NEVER purposely set out to offend anyone, I just say what's on my mind. I could be the person who grins, shakes your hand, and tells you what you want to hear, but that's not me, for better or worse. I could also be the person who hides behind a made up screen name and lurks, again, not me. I had someone tell me the other day, that they could never post what I do, because they fear that their clients might get upset. What a horrible way to live your life, and to be constrained. I would not even be in the business if my hands were tied like that. Life has dealt me the cards where I can choose to breed what I like, versus what I have to breed in order to keep the lights on. Why do you think I admire Charles Herbster? Because he's got the lead view, he does what he wants, his view is not from an inferior position if you know what I mean.

As for the ABS guy, Ron and others on here that work with David can back me up when I say he is probably one of the most "by the book" people I have ever dealt with in the cattle business. He is an ABSOLUTE professional, A to Z. The notion that he laughs at his clients is completely false. He bends over backwards for his clients. In fact if more people in Kentucky would give him a call, they might be shocked at how their herds improve over a period of a few years. He knows that the majority of my semen purchases will not be ABS or Origen sires, but he helps me any way he can. Again, you are wrong and uninformed.
Brookhill. David is strictly by the book. He is actually known for that. But Luke knows David. They are practically neighbors.
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 17, 2019 1:02 pm

76 Bar wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 11:55 am
Just look at that milk!!! Do you understand milk, and what it does?
Yes I do. Stacking well above average milk EPD's in a breed that supposedly is maternal is asking for trouble on all accounts.
Her dam is top 2% for milk and has raised a son and a daughter which we own, that were big, really big. They never went hungry, that’s for sure.
All well & good but your Stonegate dam is a 10/2011 model with 2 progeny records and moreover calved recently. Obviously her CI is less than sterling.
Her calf right now can’t even begin to take down all the milk she is producing, and she is nursing like crazy. I have video, momma’s sack looked like 4 basketballs when she was born, it’s coming down now.
Trust by "sack" you meant udder. Between you & me & the gate post, I wouldn't be bragging about basket ball sized quarters.
When I get well above average sized calves from her at weaning, I'm all good with her.

Her most recent calf

http://bit.ly/2Vup9Uh

Top 10% for WW, YW
Top15% for RADG
Top 4% for Milk
Top 35% for HP
Top 5% for $W
Top 10% for $F
Top 15% for $B
Top 15% for CW

I don't know about you, but those numbers work for ME. I know exactly what she is going to produce going forward, and it won't be puny.

I've got three of four sires in mind that could take the next calf up to an even higher level, I've got Blackcap May 4136 in her pedigree, this calf is not the end product, it's just part of the process, that is where you are confused.

If I have to explain more, then you are probably lost by now.
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Lazy M » Fri May 17, 2019 1:38 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:37 pm
Lazy M wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 6:38 am
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm


Name an Angus operation in Kentucky where EVERY bull in the sale was a direct AI son? I asked my ABS rep who should know better than I do, and he said he has never seen a major sale here where EVERY SINGLE bull is sired via AI and is proven with a DNA test for parentage.

Please post the operation, I want to see their AAA sale report, just curious.
Start with Boyd's. Keep in mind that the ABS guy is a SALESMAN and will feed into your distorted self grandiosity if it will help him sell you a few more straws. I'm sure he rolls his eyes and chuckles as he pulls out of your place.
You misunderstood what I said. I'm talking a sale where EVERY bull is from a TOP AI sire. I'm not talking about the second string lineup.

Even Boyd is using a couple of his own bulls to sire the lots in that sale. One more thing according to NEFarmWife, if your "Daddy" set you up in the business you are disqualified from getting in on the Angus action. She said it, and we all know she is the "AUTHORITY" on Angus.

Grandiosity? Again, I think people like you affirm that we are making big inroads in a "Good ole boy" closed off business. At the end of the day, it's not about anything BUT the ANIMAL standing in front of you, and what we are producing is not exactly available everywhere you turn. You discount the effort and hard work that has gone into our operation as if everyone is doing this, not everyone is committed to what it takes to produce next level stock. You almost have me thinking that you are a competitor in Kentucky????

I feel at times that the seed stock producers in Kentucky have a conference call and they all agree to breed to the same sires, because each annual sale just has variations of the same theme. If that's what you like, great, but I like to take things in a different direction, the road less traveled. There is nothing wrong with playing it safe, but it becomes very boring at times. I think what really bothers you is that I don't have a carefully curated reputation to protect. I don't have to worry that if I say something, I might offend someone. I NEVER purposely set out to offend anyone, I just say what's on my mind. I could be the person who grins, shakes your hand, and tells you what you want to hear, but that's not me, for better or worse. I could also be the person who hides behind a made up screen name and lurks, again, not me. I had someone tell me the other day, that they could never post what I do, because they fear that their clients might get upset. What a horrible way to live your life, and to be constrained. I would not even be in the business if my hands were tied like that. Life has dealt me the cards where I can choose to breed what I like, versus what I have to breed in order to keep the lights on. Why do you think I admire Charles Herbster? Because he's got the lead view, he does what he wants, his view is not from an inferior position if you know what I mean.

As for the ABS guy, Ron and others on here that work with David can back me up when I say he is probably one of the most "by the book" people I have ever dealt with in the cattle business. He is an ABSOLUTE professional, A to Z. The notion that he laughs at his clients is completely false. He bends over backwards for his clients. In fact if more people in Kentucky would give him a call, they might be shocked at how their herds improve over a period of a few years. He knows that the majority of my semen purchases will not be ABS or Origen sires, but he helps me any way he can. Again, you are wrong and uninformed.
I appreciate that you are proud of your operation and love that you are excited about the direction that you are headed. Keep in mind, though that you are basically following the same business model of every other seedstock producer. You breed what you think is a superior bull to what you think is a superior cow to produce what you hope are extraordinary progeny. The rest of your diatribes are worthless smoke.

From what I can tell your current herd is built on grass based overly efficient cows. You are trying to breed the herd up to be more performance based (and more marketable). I wish you luck.

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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Nesikep » Fri May 17, 2019 2:33 pm

Not everyone needs a Mercedes... for some a Chevy will do the job just fine.. Same goes for bulls. I've seen some purebreds that looked miserable, and of course some look great.. I band anything I don't think will have the phenotype or performance I want, or are from troublesome families.. and even so there have been some I regretted NOT banding (I never used them)

I'm glad Young got a bull that looks good and his numbers are good when the dust settled.
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by CreekAngus » Fri May 17, 2019 3:47 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:47 pm
CreekAngus wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:46 am
I got a message from "Young" today. AAA corrected the genealogy of the bull and changed the epds. His bull turned into a calving ease bull with pretty much the same expected performance. I went back through the pedigree on his bull, that fella is double bred to Blackcap May 4136..............$5,000 he got a deal, I don't care if its Rainmaker, Rainfall, Raindance or Rainwhenever, he got a really nice bull, bred with great maternal influence. His bull ought to be a female making machine. If I had that guy on my place, we wouldn't touch a straw of semen for couple of years. SAV might have goofed up, but Kelly made a great purchase for Young. Looking forward to seeing his progeny.
I never ONCE said he got a bad bull, in fact I think he got a VERY GOOD bull.

All I was saying is that if you are breeding to get a specific animal in your herd, a mix up can cause issues generations down. This business is too hard to hit the reset button several times over.
My post had nothing to do with you, I was passing on info Young gave me this morning and some that I found on my own.
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by NEFarmwife » Fri May 17, 2019 5:23 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:37 pm
Lazy M wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 6:38 am
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm


Name an Angus operation in Kentucky where EVERY bull in the sale was a direct AI son? I asked my ABS rep who should know better than I do, and he said he has never seen a major sale here where EVERY SINGLE bull is sired via AI and is proven with a DNA test for parentage.

Please post the operation, I want to see their AAA sale report, just curious.
Start with Boyd's. Keep in mind that the ABS guy is a SALESMAN and will feed into your distorted self grandiosity if it will help him sell you a few more straws. I'm sure he rolls his eyes and chuckles as he pulls out of your place.
You misunderstood what I said. I'm talking a sale where EVERY bull is from a TOP AI sire. I'm not talking about the second string lineup.

Even Boyd is using a couple of his own bulls to sire the lots in that sale. One more thing according to NEFarmWife, if your "Daddy" set you up in the business you are disqualified from getting in on the Angus action. She said it, and we all know she is the "AUTHORITY" on Angus.

Grandiosity? Again, I think people like you affirm that we are making big inroads in a "Good ole boy" closed off business. At the end of the day, it's not about anything BUT the ANIMAL standing in front of you, and what we are producing is not exactly available everywhere you turn. You discount the effort and hard work that has gone into our operation as if everyone is doing this, not everyone is committed to what it takes to produce next level stock. You almost have me thinking that you are a competitor in Kentucky????

I feel at times that the seed stock producers in Kentucky have a conference call and they all agree to breed to the same sires, because each annual sale just has variations of the same theme. If that's what you like, great, but I like to take things in a different direction, the road less traveled. There is nothing wrong with playing it safe, but it becomes very boring at times. I think what really bothers you is that I don't have a carefully curated reputation to protect. I don't have to worry that if I say something, I might offend someone. I NEVER purposely set out to offend anyone, I just say what's on my mind. I could be the person who grins, shakes your hand, and tells you what you want to hear, but that's not me, for better or worse. I could also be the person who hides behind a made up screen name and lurks, again, not me. I had someone tell me the other day, that they could never post what I do, because they fear that their clients might get upset. What a horrible way to live your life, and to be constrained. I would not even be in the business if my hands were tied like that. Life has dealt me the cards where I can choose to breed what I like, versus what I have to breed in order to keep the lights on. Why do you think I admire Charles Herbster? Because he's got the lead view, he does what he wants, his view is not from an inferior position if you know what I mean.

As for the ABS guy, Ron and others on here that work with David can back me up when I say he is probably one of the most "by the book" people I have ever dealt with in the cattle business. He is an ABSOLUTE professional, A to Z. The notion that he laughs at his clients is completely false. He bends over backwards for his clients. In fact if more people in Kentucky would give him a call, they might be shocked at how their herds improve over a period of a few years. He knows that the majority of my semen purchases will not be ABS or Origen sires, but he helps me any way he can. Again, you are wrong and uninformed.
If you’re going to put words in my mouth, please actually quote me. Thanks!

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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Boot Jack Bulls » Fri May 17, 2019 7:26 pm

After 19 pages of this BS, I am more glad then ever to stay out of the angus deal as much as possible!
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 17, 2019 7:29 pm

Boot Jack Bulls wrote:
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After 19 pages of this BS, I am more glad then ever to stay out of the angus deal as much as possible!
Can you imagine us all in the same room?
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Boot Jack Bulls » Fri May 17, 2019 7:35 pm

No! I can put up with quite a bit of drama, but that would have to be a special kind of h**l. :hide:
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by sim.-ang.king » Fri May 17, 2019 9:54 pm

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No! I can put up with quite a bit of drama, but that would have to be a special kind of h**l. :hide:
I wouldn't worry about getting in a room with a group of angus breeders, they are like their cows, all show and no go. :cowboy:



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Why should I apologize for becoming a monster?
Did anyone apologize for making me one?

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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 17, 2019 10:45 pm

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:54 pm
Boot Jack Bulls wrote:
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No! I can put up with quite a bit of drama, but that would have to be a special kind of h**l. :hide:
I wouldn't worry about getting in a room with a group of angus breeders, they are like their cows, all show and no go. :cowboy:



:lol:

:hide:
What would be considered the “manliest” breed of them all? I mean if you had a herd, people would think you are the ultimate bad azz!
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by sim.-ang.king » Fri May 17, 2019 10:46 pm

Sim-Yaks

The manliest of cattle breeds.
Why should I apologize for becoming a monster?
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Re: My New SAV Bull

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 17, 2019 11:12 pm

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:46 pm
Sim-Yaks

The manliest of cattle breeds.
LOL! Where can I get semen? I will use it on my 2k pounders to add mass and hair. Talking about rare!
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