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Re: New low

Postby jedstivers » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:26 pm

Dang cg8, you sure seem to have the worst luck with sale barns.
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Re: New low

Postby kenny thomas » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:32 pm

Bigfoot wrote:I can see why, certain calves are left off the report. The average price, should be figured off of the average calves. Site what true quality calves, that were ready for the next step brought, and move on. I think people glance at this weeks report, and say "hey, I'll sell next week". Pick up the check and get stub shock. I've sold some low quality calves, over the last 3 weeks. It sucked, and I knew it was going to be bad, but I raised em. My circus, my monkeys.

Good quote Bigfoot, I buy the ones other buyers don't want and make them better. Sometimes you just have to realize what you have ain't the best. But the day you sell them they are what they are. I hope to buy some of the not the best tomorrow.
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Re: New low

Postby farmerjan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:44 pm

I can understand the check stub shock. We had gone through that a few times in the past. Now, a calf doesn't get sold at the sale unless one of us is there to watch. On occasion we also have a good friend that is a buyer, moves alot of cattle, and he will have our weight tickets. We took 16 heifers last week. 10 weighed 400, 5 weighed almost 500. One weighed 495 and they put bloated on the ticket. She was not bloated, she was a pig and would just gorge herself on hay every time we put a new roll in. Since she was out of my cow, I was not happy; my son told the buyer friend that if she brought less 1.00/lb. to buy her back. $.50 was the high bid and he said she didn't look very bloated to him. We went back and picked her up Sat morning. She's still out there eating away. She will get sold eventually, I will worm her the next time in the barn and see if that is part of her "pot-gut" look. But, if we did not take precautions, she would have been worth less than 250.00.

These heifers were nothing to write home about but were not real terrible. Brought 1.13 and 1.26 I think. We've sold better and some that were worse.

Hardly ever take one that has had pinkeye with a bad spot left in the eye; or one that had a bit of a deformed hump in the spine one time, because you know they will get killed on price. They are the butcher/beef ones we raise, besides my jersey and guernsey crosses. Have one now that has a crooked nose. He eats good but may not be able to keep all the grain in his mouth due to the deformity. He will be beef next year for someone. His momma had a normal calf the year before and is due anytime again now. We've never had one like that before, sorta like a cleft lip/palate. Also find that the couple of speckled ones get discounted real bad, so we have a steer from one of the blue speckled cows that will also be beef next year. I want to have the hide tanned with hair on, it is so pretty....

A good friend/cattle trader years ago told my son that he made more money on the so-so cattle than he ever could/would on the real nice top-notch ones. Kinda like what Kenny does; and if you know they aren't the best, but you make them better than they were, you can usually do okay.

That is why I don't hesitate to buy the "older" bred cows or c/cf pairs. It is a bit of a joke that after the better cows sell at a cow sale, the "lesser" ones that come through are -------- (our name) Farm type of cows. But I have done more with turning over a few dollars with those type of $800-$1,000 cows than I ever would with the $1500-2500 cows. Sure we bury a few. Just this week found one out at pasture dead. Looked her up, figured she was only about 8 yrs old, had a calf on her. No apparent reason. Got 2 others that we got at the same sale, mouthed and wrote down that they have no teeth, that are doing good and look very good. Calves are decent. So you never know. Buried a 1st calf heifer, one we raised...she had a dead cf about 6 months, no hair but well formed though small. Calf was dead, she was dead right there with it, no idea why. Not going to spend $150 for posting her. Dead is dead, it happens. Everyone else in that group has calved, except 2 that are due in Nov., from a different breeding pasture.

When we take nice calves in we expect them to do good. When they are mediocre, then you hope to do decent. But we don't just drop them off and hope for the best anymore.
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Re: New low

Postby Allenw » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:50 pm

I don't see any thing here that couldn't be solved by more time setting in the sale barn.
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Re: New low

Postby cowgirl8 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:34 pm

Allenw wrote:I don't see any thing here that couldn't be solved by more time setting in the sale barn.

These were the low of the heifer's calves, just 5.... Again, it was not that bad of a calf. Someone nitpicked, maybe those calves or that one was put at the end of the sale...Out of thousands of calves sold from our ranch over the years, having 2 isn't that bad of percentages..And both were iffy. I have too many to choose from to eat, not going to eat a small heifer's calf. SO off to the sale he went. 5 dinky calves is just a drop in the bucket and will not break us or put us into debt. Not worthy of the 30 cents he brought, which is the point of the thread. He was a good meaty 400 pound angus calf...
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Re: New low

Postby bball » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:40 pm

cowgirl8 wrote:
Allenw wrote:I don't see any thing here that couldn't be solved by more time setting in the sale barn.

These were the low of the heifer's calves, just 5.... Again, it was not that bad of a calf. Someone nitpicked, maybe those calves or that one was put at the end of the sale...Out of thousands of calves sold from our ranch over the years, having 2 isn't that bad of percentages..And both were iffy. I have too many to choose from to eat, not going to eat a small heifer's calf. SO off to the sale he went. 5 dinky calves is just a drop in the bucket and will not break us or put us into debt. Not worthy of the 30 cents he brought, which is the point of the thread. He was a good meaty 400 pound angus calf...


That's the risk of selling at the sale barn...they are worth exactly what the buyer is willing to pay at that moment..unless you set a minimum or squash the sale, there is no negotiation. Maybe you could do better selling the smaller ones off the farm to folks looking to feed a couple?
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Re: New low

Postby Turkeybird » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:34 am

I got a solution to cg8 sale prob! Cg,you can send your calves over to Jed to buy and feed then he can have some real good calves to send to okc ,then everyone is happy
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Re: New low

Postby midTN_Brangusman » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:30 am

I'm curious as to why a big time commercial rancher is selling calves at a sale barn. All the big time commercial ranchers I know sale on superior livestock :hide:
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Re: New low

Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:53 am

midTN_Brangusman wrote:I'm curious as to why a big time commercial rancher is selling calves at a sale barn. All the big time commercial ranchers I know sale on superior livestock :hide:


We went through this a few years ago, and the best I can figure is some folks don't need the money. You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.
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Re: New low

Postby jedstivers » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:58 am

Turkeybird wrote:I got a solution to cg8 sale prob! Cg,you can send your calves over to Jed to buy and feed then he can have some real good calves to send to okc ,then everyone is happy

I've already said in here even if her entire calf crop was steers I could take all of them. She didn't seem interested.
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Re: New low

Postby cowgirl8 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:22 pm

We' re just a mom and pop operation....Its our living, but obviously the only one in this forum doing it for a living. We do what works for us......
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Re: New low

Postby Turkeybird » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:10 pm

I do it to feed my little ole family so I guess that makes me a lil pea in a big pot
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Re: New low

Postby 544hydro » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:48 am

I just sold a lone bull calf born first part of June sold him October 20 he weighed 460. Got .73 for him. Should have waited and put him in our freezer but sometimes life gets in the way.
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Re: New low

Postby cowgirl8 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:52 am

544hydro wrote:I just sold a lone bull calf born first part of June sold him October 20 he weighed 460. Got .73 for him. Should have waited and put him in our freezer but sometimes life gets in the way.

Exactly.
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Re: New low

Postby Craig Miller » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:52 pm

I haven't been to the sale all year but wow at the prices y'all are putting up. I'd be highly disappointed if I got that for a calf. That will make a small timer want to quit.
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