Restoring pasture

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Re: Restoring pasture

Postby kenny thomas » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:00 am

Some products, especially if it's for briars, recommends not to cut them the same year after spraying.
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Re: Restoring pasture

Postby dun » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:32 am

As to the hay field not being as good, it could have to do with the amount of residual plant matter. Wheel rakes clean the ground so thoroughly that nothing is left to protect the soil or decompose to add tilth to the soil.
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Re: Restoring pasture

Postby ClinchValley » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:47 pm

dun wrote:As to the hay field not being as good, it could have to do with the amount of residual plant matter. Wheel rakes clean the ground so thoroughly that nothing is left to protect the soil or decompose to add tilth to the soil.


Ding ding ding. You nailed it. Thats my logic at least. I plan to feed on it when ground is dry or froze up this winter.

Wanting a 256 type rake. I think thats what they are called. New holland type.
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Re: Restoring pasture

Postby kd4au » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:53 pm

ClinchValley wrote:In my experience, the grass is most of the time still present under the weeds. We had stickweed and ironweed and blackberries galore when I took this place over. So thick it was hard to walk through them. That was late summer 2015. I mowed twice that year. Sprayed spring 2016. Again in Summer 2016. Mowed twice in 2016. Sprayed this past spring. Fertilized with 12-24-24 (Nope, didn't soil test). Have sprayed the bad places this summer. The only thing really persisting would be the horse nettle. That stuff is tuff. Used Remedy this year and it works so well.

Now we have a very productive and very clean pastures. To be honest, they're some of the better looking and performing ground around me. On top of the trifecta of weed control, we started rotating pastures Spring of 2016. It impresses me every time i walk through, so many types of grass and legumes. This property was overgrazed for decades upon decades. Plan to keep cutting paddock size...

Patience is key i do believe. As stated already, it takes time. A few years for sure.

Its doing so well that we have higher stocking rate than my Papaw ever did. Using the exact same acreage. And I am considering very strongly to take about 10-20% of current pasture and make more hay next year.

Its crazy, but
our pastures are more productive than our hayfields
. Reason being that the soil is in better shape. And only getting better. Now I've got to figure out how to make the hay field's soil healthier.

Oh, and we unroll our hay when we feed. That is probably the second best contributor to our soil health next to rotating fields. Has really turned it around.

Understanding soil biology and health is key.

Have you considered rotating the fields you cut for hay? I usually cut the same fields for hay but I'm thinking of rotating.
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Re: Restoring pasture

Postby kenny thomas » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:15 pm

ClinchValley wrote:
dun wrote:As to the hay field not being as good, it could have to do with the amount of residual plant matter. Wheel rakes clean the ground so thoroughly that nothing is left to protect the soil or decompose to add tilth to the soil.


Ding ding ding. You nailed it. Thats my logic at least. I plan to feed on it when ground is dry or froze up this winter.

Wanting a 256 type rake. I think thats what they are called. New holland type.

I sent,you a private message with my number. Call me, I,might sell you a 256 NH rake. Just,rebuilt from one end to,the,other including new tires.
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Re: Restoring pasture

Postby ClinchValley » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:09 am

Checking it now.

KD - Our hay ground is the only ground we could cut. Our pasture ground is steep and rocky. I am trying to find ground to lease for hay. I would like to graze our entire property eventually.
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