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Re: How Long

Postby Bright Raven » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:35 pm

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As long as you don't try to force your lifestyle on others and expect them to validate, praise, pay for it and expect preferential treatment


To force anyone to validate, praise, pay for or give preferential treatment would infringe upon their liberties and rights. Tolerance is not asking for any of those items. In fact, tolerance endorses those causes.


Whether it be Islam, homosexuality, transgender, race and so on it seems tolerance is one-sided.
They preach tolerance, acceptance and peace, but demand special treatment. If they aren't accommodated they are rioting in the streets.
They don't want equal treatment.
They want special treatment


I disagree Cross. I come from two very large families. I know of two individuals, one on each side, that clearly had identity issues. They hide it their entire lives. One is dead. The other is in his 80s. His brother told me this past weekend that he visited Donald and Donald still hides his true self for fear of not being accepted. I think you may be mistaking the vocal minority for a majority that would rather just be left alone.

I also believe many folks push back because they get mistreated. Look how many users here openly use what any educated person knows are derogatory terms such as dyke or queer. Then there are Christians who tell these people they are going to heII because of their lifestyle. So it is a two way street.

Personally, I like to enjoy life and let the other guy do what ever he wants as long as he don't bother me. I cannot remember ever having a homosexual get in my space to the point I felt offended.

Edited: Cross, I was just thinking, as Grit says I am different. I am not easily offended. I probably ignore a lot of social issues that bothers you more than it does me.

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Re: How Long

Postby bball » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:49 am

Bright Raven wrote:
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Mel, I endorse your idea. Great post.


Correct philosophy, but contrary to human nature I believe.
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Tolerance is not difficult. It is a function of being secure in yourself, respecting other's liberties and rights, and self discipline.


In reality, humanity struggles with tolerance in general. Why? It's hardwired in our DNA to reject that which is different or not familiar. Basic survival traits at our core being. It requires analysis, thought, objectivity and emotional detachment from a position, the ability to attempt to understand a position different from ones own position. These are hard things to do and require regular exercise in order to develop those cognitive muscles and practice higher level reasoning and cognitive abilities. Divorcing yourself of the emotional response is a true discipline; especially when something is dewy offensive to ones hardwired, engrained mental response. That's why I think it's difficult for most folks to attempt tolerance of anything different from their own values and beliefs. It's simple to be for liberty and freedom if they fall in line with your values. The challenge becomes great when those same liberties are bestowed to those with a different value system. My experience (worth less than 2 cents) is that most people aren't introspective enough to do the initial assessment, let alone the daily exercise it takes to work on improving the flawed thinking/reasoning. I'm aware and it's a struggle to do daily...maybe the greatest challenge any man has, to master himself.
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Re: How Long

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:31 am

bball wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
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Correct philosophy, but contrary to human nature I believe.
The best way to find yourself is to Lose yourself in the service of others. Gandhi


Tolerance is not difficult. It is a function of being secure in yourself, respecting other's liberties and rights, and self discipline.


In reality, humanity struggles with tolerance in general. Why? It's hardwired in our DNA to reject that which is different or not familiar. Basic survival traits at our core being. It requires analysis, thought, objectivity and emotional detachment from a position, the ability to attempt to understand a position different from ones own position. These are hard things to do and require regular exercise in order to develop those cognitive muscles and practice higher level reasoning and cognitive abilities. Divorcing yourself of the emotional response is a true discipline; especially when something is dewy offensive to ones hardwired, engrained mental response. That's why I think it's difficult for most folks to attempt tolerance of anything different from their own values and beliefs. It's simple to be for liberty and freedom if they fall in line with your values. The challenge becomes great when those same liberties are bestowed to those with a different value system. My experience (worth less than 2 cents) is that most people aren't introspective enough to do the initial assessment, let alone the daily exercise it takes to work on improving the flawed thinking/reasoning. I'm aware and it's a struggle to do daily...maybe the greatest challenge any man has, to master himself.


Magnificent! You caught it in a bottle. To be master of one's self and not be ruled by passion is the ultimate in self-control.

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Re: How Long

Postby D2Cat » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:13 am

Bright Raven you say, "Tolerance is not difficult. It is a function of being secure in yourself, respecting other's liberties and rights, and self discipline."

It must be difficult, because people in general, don't possess the qualities you say are required for that result.

Maybe tolerance can be easily defined, but much more difficult to practice?

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Re: How Long

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:31 am

Queer covers both sexes, no need in all the other slang names for the same thing. IMO
If seeing two queers hugging and kissing don't want to make you puke, your weird.
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Re: How Long

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:50 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Queer covers both sexes, no need in all the other slang names for the same thing. IMO
If seeing two queers hugging and kissing don't want to make you puke, your weird.


Nope. I only notice it is not normal reproductive courtship. If normal is the correct term.

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Re: How Long

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:51 am

D2Cat wrote:Bright Raven you say, "Tolerance is not difficult. It is a function of being secure in yourself, respecting other's liberties and rights, and self discipline."

It must be difficult, because people in general, don't possess the qualities you say are required for that result.

Maybe tolerance can be easily defined, but much more difficult to practice?


Read bball's post. He nailed it as good as I can.

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Re: How Long

Postby Admin010 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:03 am

thanks

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Re: How Long

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:12 am

Admin010 wrote:thanks


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Re: How Long

Postby greybeard » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:28 am

"For evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing" Burke

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Re: How Long

Postby D2Cat » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:04 am

Greybeard, he's a deep thinker!

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Re: How Long

Postby Allenw » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:54 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Queer covers both sexes, no need in all the other slang names for the same thing. IMO
If seeing two queers hugging and kissing don't want to make you puke, your weird.


Just another issue to distract the people. What's more important two people of the same sex kissing and making out. or the choice between the fast road to socialism from on side or the slow road to socialism from the other?

Don't forget to support the few willing to stand up to the mess we're in.

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Re: How Long

Postby TexasBred » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:48 am

Cross-7 wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Cross-7 wrote:
As long as you don't try to force your lifestyle on others and expect them to validate, praise, pay for it and expect preferential treatment


To force anyone to validate, praise, pay for or give preferential treatment would infringe upon their liberties and rights. Tolerance is not asking for any of those items. In fact, tolerance endorses those causes.


Whether it be Islam, homosexuality, transgender, race and so on it seems tolerance is one-sided.
They preach tolerance, acceptance and peace, but demand special treatment. If they aren't accommodated they are rioting in the streets.
They don't want equal treatment.
They want special treatment

For some reason these people don't feel like they can really practice their 1st amendment rights without restricting yours and mine.
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Re: How Long

Postby Bestoutwest » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:07 am

Allenw wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Queer covers both sexes, no need in all the other slang names for the same thing. IMO
If seeing two queers hugging and kissing don't want to make you puke, your weird.


Just another issue to distract the people. What's more important two people of the same sex kissing and making out. or the choice between the fast road to socialism from on side or the slow road to socialism from the other?

Don't forget to support the few willing to stand up to the mess we're in.


Exactly, this past election was full of misdirection. Both sides talked a bit about education, jobs, infrastructure, etc. But neither side really offered any solutions that were actually realistic. However, we did hear a whole lot about abortion, gay marriage, etc. And the biggest problem is how entrenched people are with their thoughts on it. For what? So two people want to get married? Well, it can't do anything but help the economy, more florists, DJ's, caterers, marriage counselors, divorce lawyers, limo drivers, etc, etc. But a failing education system? Nah, who cares?
How many a man has dated a new era in his life from the reading of a book. ~Henry David Thoreau

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Re: How Long

Postby Nesikep » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:46 pm

I find it equally rude when a heterosexual couple have their toungues down each others throats in public... get a room!

If people just kept their private lives private, whatever the orientation it would be a lot more agreeable for everyone

Bball. .. well said... it takes concious effort to analyze things and be rational about them and not give in tho knee jerk , populist reactions
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