can you explain why you raise the cattle you do?

[circlew]

I bought some heifers, this year, that were bred to an angus bull and I can't keep the dang calves in the pasture. Same story last year with my mature cows, they were bred to angus bulls and those calves stayed out but I bought a hereford bull and bred them last year and they won't even go out an open gate. Won't be an angus bull on this place! I'm tired of folks calling and stopping by and saying "All your cows are out" and when you get there its one d@mn calf.

[Anguscattle]

Id have to say that you and backhoe are the only two people ive heard say that only angus give you problems with getting out. In my experience, if fences arent good, any cow will get out. Of all the angus breeders ive talked to, ive never heard of such problems with them getting out. At least compared to other breeds. But now if theres a hole in the fence, i can see that. Usually its just bulls getting out, with good fences. They cant resist a cow in heat. That goes for just about any breed.
But angus are the worst cows to have in a chute. My opinion. They tend to hit their knees when the headgate closes! Lol

[JSCATTLE]

I had the same problem a few years ago . 7 stands of wire as tight as a banjo string . And they still get through . As far as a bull not respecting a fence because a cow is in heat he won't stay on my place If he crosses a fence . My bull lot is a 2 acre pasture with 5 strands of barb wire . I have 2 brangus bulls that live there 10 months out of the year cows graze around 3 sides and they won't cross the fence .. Fence jumping is why I won't have an angus or charolais bull on my place .

[Anguscattle]

Well maybe thats why angus breeders are selecting for docility so much these days. Ive never had a problem with them jumping fences. Nor have I heard that its only an angus thing! But if you had an angus that jumped fences and you bought a brangus that didnt, id say keep the brangus!

[circlew]

We ran a char bull before and a couple brangus and the calves sired by these bulls never got out. But if we bought any cows that were bred and when they calved it was angus sired it would be on the side of the road grazing in two months time.

[backhoeboogie]

I had the same problem a few years ago . 7 stands of wire as tight as a banjo string . And they still get through . As far as a bull not respecting a fence because a cow is in heat he won't stay on my place If he crosses a fence . My bull lot is a 2 acre pasture with 5 strands of barb wire . I have 2 brangus bulls that live there 10 months out of the year cows graze around 3 sides and they won't cross the fence .. Fence jumping is why I won't have an angus or charolais bull on my place .

I've got a 7 strand run of fence just as tight. 1385 foot cross fence with 7 foot T posts driven deep. OK 4 point wire that bites. The two angus bulls ran their heads under it and pulled the T posts out of the ground dead center between the tension braces. This fence was so new and so tight that I did not bother to put electric on it. It fences out the coastal hay field.

I guess I need to start getting pictures of damage such as this. Especially if someone is insinuating my fences are junk. There were no cows in that pasture so nothing was in heat to attract them - unless they came from the other side.

[James T]

Id have to say that you and backhoe are the only two people ive heard say that only angus give you problems with getting out. In my experience, if fences arent good, any cow will get out. Of all the angus breeders ive talked to, ive never heard of such problems with them getting out. At least compared to other breeds. But now if theres a hole in the fence, i can see that. Usually its just bulls getting out, with good fences. They cant resist a cow in heat. That goes for just about any breed.
But angus are the worst cows to have in a chute. My opinion. They tend to hit their knees when the headgate closes! Lol

I would have to agree with you. To label Angus bulls as tempermental is just ignorance talking or a few bad experiences. The last Angus bull I had was as docile as a bull can be and never busted through any fences. My Angus cows were the same. There are going to be tempermental cattle in any breed. Out of about 30 Brangus I raised, about half were a bit tempermental (usually when being worked or have newborns) and the other half were extremely docile. The two sets came from two different breeders. Unless a tree fell over the fencing, they stayed in. I also agree that some bulls are going to go after a cow in heat in the next pasture, unless he's got enough in his own pasture to keep himself busy.

[Anguscattle]

Backhoe,

Im not doubting what happened. Im not doubting the damage. Im not saying your fences are junk. And im not saying it was your fault that these bulls busted into your place.
Im just saying I havent heard of that being characteristic of the angus breed. In other words, ive never heard any reports of this happening from mainly angus only. Yeah angus do it. So does every other breed. In your case, youve just had all angus. Bad luck on your part id say!
But hey, if all these angus are showing up on your place, maybe its a sign!!

Haha! Now dont get ticked. It was a joke. But seriously, I think youve just got a good run of bad luck. And I hate to hear that about any cattle raiser

[backhoeboogie]

Heck I aint ticked off. Even if James T says I am ignorant. Facts are facts. I have had that beefmaster bull on my place as I mentioned earlier. Did not find damaged fences. He must have jumped.

James T - there's been over a dozen different bulls on my place in the past decade. If going to the pasture and seeing angus bulls and finding nineteen holes in the fences is attributed to ignorance - I need to wise up some kind of way because not only is it wearing me out, it has worn out the whole community down there. Again, one neighbor was so infuriated he shot and killed one that had been in his place again and again.

I am going to get a pic of the fences.

It aint about "bashing" and I am sure someone is going to say that again. Someone asked why people are opposed to them in this thread and I responded. It is getting out of control.

Call me a liar. Call me ignorant again too. I'll bring you the pics and I will start bashing - with facts.

I do have pics on the one who was shot going through the fences. That was back when we almost had a Taylor Sutton fued start up over that one bull. I could post those if I took the time to find them.

[Anguscattle]

Lol yeah, i asked why people didnt like angus. You answered. You have a legit reason. It has gone a little further than it should. Lets find a new topic to argue about! Lol

[James T]

Heck I aint ticked off. Even if James T says I am ignorant. Facts are facts. I have had that beefmaster bull on my place as I mentioned earlier. Did not find damaged fences. He must have jumped.

James T - there's been over a dozen different bulls on my place in the past decade. If going to the pasture and seeing angus bulls and finding nineteen holes in the fences is attributed to ignorance - I need to wise up some kind of way because not only is it wearing me out, it has worn out the whole community down there. Again, one neighbor was so infuriated he shot and killed one that had been in his place again and again.

I am going to get a pic of the fences.

It aint about "bashing" and I am sure someone is going to say that again. Someone asked why people are opposed to them in this thread and I responded. It is getting out of control.

Call me a liar. Call me ignorant again too. I'll bring you the pics and I will start bashing - with facts.

I do have pics on the one who was shot going through the fences. That was back when we almost had a Taylor Sutton fued start up over that one bull. I could post those if I took the time to find them.

LOL!!! I should be working but just can't help respond to this. I have no doubt that you have had bulls getting into your place. And, as an engineer at the top of a mountain, I know that you know the difference between stupidity and ignornance. Your not stupid and I think maybe you have had some bad experiences with Angus bulls. You also mentioned a Beefmaster (50% Brahman, 25% Shorthorn, 25% Hereford - no Angus) in your place too. Like a lot of us, you had severe drought conditions too. I'm wondering if maybe some herd owners got rid of alot of their cattle in your area and kept their bulls. The bulls have little or no herd to play with and decide to go ranging and end up on your place. Heck, maybe they had nothing eat where they were and liked what you had to offer, including that Beefmaster! Maybe if you would go back to using strong wood posts instead of those flimsy metal rods, your fence would be stronger . Just messin with you Backhoe but, I don't think it's the breed that 's causing those bulls to appear at your place. It's got to be something else.

[backhoeboogie]

Well I am thinking these last two bulls were hauled in. Maybe got onto someone else's place and they decided to haul them a few miles? Looking at where they came from, they had to cross some county roads, the Brazos river, and atleast 5 or 6 dozen fences. I called the sherrif in both counties. It took a while to find the widow who owned them. I penned them and her SIL came and got them while I was not there so I don't know the story. Maybe they were recently purchased and looking to their old home? Who knows?

[bigbull338]

sounds to me like angus bulls still havent changed after 40yrs.my dad traded a high powered holstein bull to a friend for an angus bull.that was a big misstake,we put the bull in with a bunch of heifers.an he would go hide,an then he would later jump the fence an hide in another pasture.my dad would feed the heifers an find some in heat an no bull.so he would have to go find bull an put him back with heifers.he finally had enough an sold the bull.an put a hereford bull in with the heifers.

[TennesseeTuxedo]

It's amazing the Angus breed became the market leader it has become with traits like that bigbull. Must all be done with AI I suppose.

[fitz]

It's amazing the Angus breed became the market leader it has become with traits like that bigbull. Must all be done with AI I suppose.

He just had a bashful Bull ??

fitz