Thomas Jefferson

[pdfangus]

Yes....I fear that in my lifetime you won't have to go to a foreign country to see people living in primitive conditions.....
My parents generation both saw it and lived thru it.....
I fear for my kids and grandkids.....

[Dave]

My grandfather told me that when he came to this country in 1910 to work in the logging camps that they treated the pigs better than they did the men. The pigs got straw for bedding. The men just had rough cut lumber for bunks. The men went out and gathered moss or boughs for a softer bed. When a man got killed (and lots did) they would just drag his body out of the way and keep working until the end of the day. Same thing with an injured man. They just put you to the side and at the end of the day took you to town. You had better be able to survive on your own for the rest of the day. One of my neighbors broke his arm working in the woods (compound fracture, reasonably bad). He is now 86 so this would have been in the late 40's. He had his choice, wait until the end of the day to ride the speeder out or walk 10 miles. He walked. Another old timer I worked with years ago said he was working on a log landing. The head loader was crushed to death by a log. The side rod and the 2nd loader drug the guy off by his legs. Then the side rod turned to him and told him to do the dead guys job. He said it was a 14 mile walk back to camp to gather his stuff but he didn't mind doing it at all.

As tough as some of the immigrants might have it now. Things are a whole lot better than they were 50 - 100 years ago.

[ALACOWMAN]

when i think of how bad folks had it back then,, i think of the native american's... and it stops right there..

[Caustic Burno]

Yes....I fear that in my lifetime you won't have to go to a foreign country to see people living in primitive conditions.....
My parents generation both saw it and lived thru it.....
I fear for my kids and grandkids.....

Amen I don't see us being far from Argentina of the 90's economic collapse.
Better stockpile food and ammo IMO. The difference this go around most don't know how to work or survive off the land.
When the local grocery store shut's down or plastic doesn't work things are going to get nasty real quick. I seen that in Rita and it lasted only about a week or two. If the economy collapse's it will be long row to hoe before it gets back on track if it does.

[Ryder]

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

the current stae of our country ..predicted 200 yrs ago!

Myth:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

If jefferson didn't say it, he should have.

[Douglas]

^ No one has every seriously considered something so crazy as letting private banks issue currency.