Do bull calves take a big hit?

[Douglas]

an implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedyard. an implanted steer will outgain a implanted bull as well, I would almost guess that a non implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedlot as well.

i didnt think you could implant bulls?

I think it is a waste of money and can make them sterile. Don't think anyone would do it.

[CottageFarm]

an implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedyard. an implanted steer will outgain a implanted bull as well, I would almost guess that a non implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedlot as well.

Really? That seems counter-intuitive. Why would that be the case?
No sarcasm here IBR, I'm sincerely curious.
I follow the 1st statement, the second was surprising ,but I'll take your word on it.
The 3rd surprised me so much I had to ask.

[cowwrangler]

an implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedyard. an implanted steer will outgain a implanted bull as well, I would almost guess that a non implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedlot as well.

i didnt think you could implant bulls?

I think it is a waste of money and can make them sterile. Don't think anyone would do it.

i thought it had something to do with the testicles swelling up? from what i have read it says never to implant anything with testicles,unless there is something new out there now?

[ANAZAZI]

an implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedyard. an implanted steer will outgain a implanted bull as well, I would almost guess that a non implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedlot as well.

Implants are illegal in my part of the world; but I swear that the bulls here always outgain the steers, given they have anything to eat.

[inbredredneck]

an implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedyard. an implanted steer will outgain a implanted bull as well, I would almost guess that a non implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedlot as well.

Really? That seems counter-intuitive. Why would that be the case?
No sarcasm here IBR, I'm sincerely curious.
I follow the 1st statement, the second was surprising ,but I'll take your word on it.
The 3rd surprised me so much I had to ask.

In the feedlot young bulls are always thinking with their nuts. A steer is thinking with his belly.

[LRTX1]

How about pre-feedlot? Say up to weaning? Bull calf vs banded at birth steer. Which gains better?

[inbredredneck]

an implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedyard. an implanted steer will outgain a implanted bull as well, I would almost guess that a non implanted steer will outgain a bull in the feedlot as well.

Really? That seems counter-intuitive. Why would that be the case?
No sarcasm here IBR, I'm sincerely curious.
I follow the 1st statement, the second was surprising ,but I'll take your word on it.
The 3rd surprised me so much I had to ask.

I don't intentionally implant bulls, however more than one 400# shove up has been implanted before.

[inbredredneck]

How about pre-feedlot? Say up to weaning? Bull calf vs banded at birth steer. Which gains better?

I couldn't tell you, I only know what happens when fed.

[B&M Farms]

How about pre-feedlot? Say up to weaning? Bull calf vs banded at birth steer. Which gains better?

Here bull calves will weigh about 50lbs more at weaning on average. Say a steer brings 1.75 at 600lbs. Thats $1050. Say the bull weighs 650lbs and brings 1.65. Thats $1072.50. Thats discounted a dime a pound and the bull still brings $22.50 more. But at $1.60 the bull would bring $1040. It depends on the discount. If you sale at a sale barn and are not marketing pre con calves there probably isn't much difference in what they will bring. But if you implant the steers timely prior to weaning, you just gained that 50lbs back and didnt take a discount. Now you have a $1137.50 calf. I castrate and implant all bull calves. I can't seperate them from heifers and 6 and 7 month old heifers can get bred. It also makes it easier on the next guy with adg.

[inbredredneck]

B&M
you have noticed after reading your post that you have a slight flaw in you numbers right?

[ChrisB]

I'm missing where the flaw is. Little help?

[inbredredneck]

keep looking chris you will see it

[TennesseeTuxedo]

It alludes me too Inbred.

[cross_7]

only thing i can see is the 650# steer might not bring 1.75 like the 600# steer

[Dave]

Market report here had 600 pound steers at $1.63 and 600 pound bulls at $1.46. That is $978 for the steer and $876 for the bull. Now the same age bull may be heavier but he has to make up $102. And the bigger the bull the more the price goes down.

I will stick to cutting my calves at branding.