SAV Sale

[Jake]

Took a little more than good grass and good genetics to wean that heavy.

It did, and they don't hide that they creep the bulls.

[fatcattle]

Red Bull Breeder don't be jealous because your cattle can't do that, evaluate your program to see what improvements could be made. Perhaps buying a SAV bull?

[Red Bull Breeder]

Never said my could but then i don't creep mine. When i did i got closer than you would no about. As far a me being jealous unless you been here before i dought you would have a clue about me or what i do.

[Red Bull Breeder]

Jake i would not no what them folks do and don't care what they do. Makes me no difference.

[Massey135]

Never said my could but then i don't creep mine. When i did i got closer than you would no about. As far a me being jealous unless you been here before i dought you would have a clue about me or what i do.

Fullblood limosine should be getting big weights, not Angus. Tell em to stop using the word "creep" . Around here "creep" is a 12-14% pellet. Those bulls been on a high energy feedlot ration.

[Red Bull Breeder]

More than one way to put weight on calves Massey, calves getting all the feed they want with momma on high powered forage like Justa always talks about will get some big weaning weights. Problem i found with that is my bull buyers ain't gonna treat them that nice. Wind up with a train wreck.

[Old_man_emu]

Whats the protocol for weighing bulls, is there a standard curfew time to empty them out? 5% on 900lbs is a 45lbs loss, its not much but it can be more than 5% at times. I think it would be interesting to know.
It really doesn't sound very sustainable to feed young bull like they must be. Having said that, a good friend of mine tells me guys used to come up to him and make comments about his bulls being too fat before the sale then turn around pay the $$ for the same bulls.
I wonder how fat those young bulls are and what level of stress it puts on their whole body, particularly joints?

[Red Bull Breeder]

Don't know about all that old man emu i just know that one off them bull down here in my part of the world would look like a rack of bones by the july got here. My be alright if he lived the the next summer.

[cow pollinater]

More than one way to put weight on calves Massey, calves getting all the feed they want with momma on high powered forage like Justa always talks about will get some big weaning weights. Problem i found with that is my bull buyers ain't gonna treat them that nice. Wind up with a train wreck.

Make them fat and they fall apart as soon as they hit the real world. They can't go from soda pop and candy bars to healthy food plus a full time job without having some major metabolic changes/problems along the way. The stupid thing about it is that the genetics are the same whether he's soggy or in working condition and yet so many insist on making them soggy just to prove that they can. The customer is the one that loses.

[Red Bull Breeder]

Your right CP. Thats why my customers will not buy a bull in that condition here.

[Oldtimer]

More than one way to put weight on calves Massey, calves getting all the feed they want with momma on high powered forage like Justa always talks about will get some big weaning weights. Problem i found with that is my bull buyers ain't gonna treat them that nice. Wind up with a train wreck.

Make them fat and they fall apart as soon as they hit the real world. They can't go from soda pop and candy bars to healthy food plus a full time job without having some major metabolic changes/problems along the way. The stupid thing about it is that the genetics are the same whether he's soggy or in working condition and yet so many insist on making them soggy just to prove that they can. The customer is the one that loses.

I agree... And those fed that way are the first to have foot problems or no longevity when their liver goes...
All forage (Grass/hay) is the best way to get bulls ready for breeding season- altho I can't call my bulls forage only because I do walk thru them every day with a bucket of grain/pellets (whatever is cheap) and hand feed them in pans a 1/3 of a coffee can of "candy" just so they are totally used to people moving around thru them and get most to where I can scratch them on the back... I like quiet dispositions...

[mwj]

So you all are saying they had over 400 new bull buyers that did not have a clue that the bulls were fat and would never be able to breed a cow

So do you think that when the word gets out that the bulls were fed and got fat that they will be going out of cattle breeding?

Seems that all fat bulls would grow as quickly as the ones at SAV since feed is all that makes them grow and genetics are a myth.

You guys wanting them small Montana cows just need to quit feeding them and there size will shrink down to fit the conditions

[Red Bull Breeder]

mwj don't think any is saying they don't have growth.

[cow pollinater]

The growth genetics is there but it's bred in not fed in. The problem is that no-one else can expect to have those same results without feeding the way they feed. Sure, most of the cattle there will produce well above average results in their progeny but the bulls would hold up alot better and produce more calves if they weren't pushed like that.
Also, if you look at the energy values on some of the cattle that come out of those genetics it appears that some of them just flat won't perform without help from the feed bunk.

[bse]

Looked at 9969 and ringmaster energy is way low but radg is way up 9969 went to .41 ringmaster has I+.25 so i guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I dont think I couldnt take the same genetics, and feed and accomplish what they have. But i sure would like to wean that kind of calves even if they were on feed from day 1.