Welsh Black Caution

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Welsh Black Caution

Postby rkaiser on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:20 pm

Got a heads up from my purecountry bud that said someone was badmouthin us over here on this web site. I would rather not take this poor young fellow on and chastise his operation but would certainly like to respond to how he called our cattle miniature and "dink like". In fact the Welsh Black bull that he called this rather negative name is a bull that weighed 1600 pounds at 22 months of age and never saw anything but grass and some forage silage for his entire life. HIs ultrasound measurements were astounding and his pedigree pointed toward the kind of udder and composition correction that the man who bought him dearly needed. This bull was a frame 4 bull and would have easily matured at between 1900 and 2000 pounds had his owner found him after turning him out to pasture when he purchased the walking rights to the bull from me. This new owner happened to be the father of our bitter young victim who, like his father seems to want to live in a victimized world and blame everyone else for his problems. Too bad things like this are going on in the cattle business these days and I certainly hope that things turn around so that even these lost souls can make a profit again despite their negative attitudes.

We have certainly tried to keep the frame size of our cattle down below the average and the choices that our buyers make are informed choices from more detailed individual data than most bull sales provide. How on earth are we too downsize and over sized cow herd with shotgun cattle and not consistently bred pedigree stock. If there was a bull that would fix everything for everyone, I don't believe it would be a bull like the last bull that this poor young victim chose after the rest of the buyers in the sale passes on him and we let this fellow purchase him for a song ----- after the sale. Trusting that we would get paid after delivering the bull and being promised a fee (HMMMMM) for dropping him off - and - waiting for the cheque. That finally arrived --- thank goodness. OOOOPS --- did I say too much. Oh well.... Times are tough out there and when times are tough people need to work together and find the positives rather than send darts in wind.
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby Brandonm22 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:16 pm

Everybody has a different opinion about frame score. On another string, a guy took a shot at one bull saying: nice bull but that he couldn't use anything less than a 6 frame (frankly I think the industry has too many cattle that are 6 frame and bigger). I took a shot at some 0-2 frame bulls as being too small for the industry about a week ago. Your "friend" apparently likes them BIG. If you look hard enough you can find somebody selling cattle in every frame score and cow weight imaginable.
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby tncattle467 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:55 am

Brandonm22 wrote:Everybody has a different opinion about frame score. On another string, a guy took a shot at one bull saying: nice bull but that he couldn't use anything less than a 6 frame (frankly I think the industry has too many cattle that are 6 frame and bigger). I took a shot at some 0-2 frame bulls as being too small for the industry about a week ago. Your "friend" apparently likes them BIG. If you look hard enough you can find somebody selling cattle in every frame score and cow weight imaginable.



That is correct.
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby redpoll52 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:02 am

We get good beef cattle rubbished all the time in Red Polls !!! All I can say is if someone makes a bad choice when buying bulls or cows they can only blame one person. Themselves !! Most animals have their place, I was brought up around WB's and never saw a bad one.
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby alacattleman on Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:55 am

wonder who the poor young feller was?? so we well know if his opinion is really worth a dam
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby Brandonm22 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:17 am

I believe that BIZIN is the customer who was dissatisfied with the direction the program was headed........

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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby robert on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:28 pm

read the thread cited and it seemed to me the guy was very complimentary about welsh blacks, and the bulls he'd been getting but it also seems clear that the last bull he got did not meet his expectations, at least from a visual appraisal point of view, now if the calves perform as he expects then perhaps it will be the case that whilst the bull was developed differently the genetics are the same?
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby Brandonm22 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:50 pm

If I understand everybody correctly, Bizin has bought bulls from Rkaiser in the past and liked them. Recently Rkaiser has sought too moderate frame some. A move which has greatly displeased Bizin so Bizin is looking for a new seedstock source.
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby alacattleman on Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:40 pm

bizin should have expressed his dissapointment to kiaser himself, stead of on a public forum.. not the way too handle things...
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby CPL on Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:53 pm

It seems like a lot to do about nothing.
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby Brandonm22 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:49 pm

alacattleman wrote:bizin should have expressed his dissapointment to kiaser himself, stead of on a public forum.. not the way too handle things...


That probably would be the more professional way to do things. In defense of Bizin, he did not identify Rkaiser by name/user name. Unfortunately, with small breeds like Welsh Blacks (versus Angus which might have 20 breeders within 300 miles of any location picked at random) it is not too hard to figure out.
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby alacattleman on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:04 pm

he mentioned randys name in one post,, dont matter now that i know who it was it has no effect on me as he seems too be chasein' rabbits any way
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Re: Welsh Black Caution

Postby Brandonm22 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:20 pm

I am sorry, I missed that. That was unnecessary and uncalled for.
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