Breaking a Young Horse.

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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby flaboy » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:34 am

msscamp wrote:
turn&burn92 wrote:Where can I find one? I like that idea. It's like something fun and seems easier than carrying the treats in your pocket like I always do.


Why use treats instead of the usual rubbing, petting, and "good girl/boy"? I fell into that trap, and discovered all it got me was a horse that was more interested in the treats that in what I was asking. I have not used treats for training since then.


I agree with msscamp here on the treats for what it is worth. I do not condone treats for training.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby MistyMorning » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:51 am

flaboy wrote:
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turn&burn92 wrote:Where can I find one? I like that idea. It's like something fun and seems easier than carrying the treats in your pocket like I always do.


Why use treats instead of the usual rubbing, petting, and "good girl/boy"? I fell into that trap, and discovered all it got me was a horse that was more interested in the treats that in what I was asking. I have not used treats for training since then.


I agree with msscamp here on the treats for what it is worth. I do not condone treats for training.


My horse and I are currently in training and follow this theory. Our instructor of many years of experience believes the horse will act much as msscamp said. I do on the other hand just bring treats to her from time to time, with no purpose other than to just give her one.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby WarriorPatriot » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:28 pm

msscamp wrote:
turn&burn92 wrote:Where can I find one? I like that idea. It's like something fun and seems easier than carrying the treats in your pocket like I always do.


Why use treats instead of the usual rubbing, petting, and "good girl/boy"? I fell into that trap, and discovered all it got me was a horse that was more interested in the treats that in what I was asking. I have not used treats for training since then.




Hence why the FIRST THING you teach that horse is begging, nosing and shoving WILL NOT get it treats. Then you shouldn't have that problem if you start off with the correct leadership. When the horse turns away and doesn't pay attention to the food, then you reward it. Done correctly, you shouldn't have problems.

As far as using treats vs. anything else is it's a constant reliable reinforcing reward. Horses like food better than saying good job everytime or a rub. It keeps them focused.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby flaboy » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:44 am

Keeps em focused on food instead of the job at hand.

Me thinks somebody listened to Parelli a bit too much.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby milkmaid » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:30 pm

flaboy wrote:Keeps em focused on food instead of the job at hand.

Me thinks somebody listened to Parelli a bit too much.


Agreed.

I won't withhold food as punishment or use it for rewards -- not for horses, not for dogs, cows, or cats. They get food because I want to keep them alive and healthy. That's it.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby WarriorPatriot » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:03 pm

I don't like the Parelli's, nor listen to what they say. I believe I stated that earlier in this thread.

And the horse has to focus on getting the job done before it gets the reward, so yes, they are focused on the job.

Clicker training isn't all about the food once they learn something. Then you stop the food and they will do what they learned through it. I don't clicker with my one horse anymore because she's learned. Now I ask her to do it, she does it. No food for thought. It worked wonders for her staying put at mounting blocks though.

It's good in the right hands, but I wouldn't put it over good old ground work with respect traditional training, because that's how I train.

If you don't like clicker training and think your horse will become a disrecpectful pushover, then don't do it.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby WarriorPatriot » Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:01 pm

Just wondering if you got to work with her? How did it go?
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby turn&burn92 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:57 pm

It's going absolutely amazing... I have been with her about 5 times now and she instantly bonded with me. I have gotten her trust quicker than I expected to. She's responded well to everything I have done. I put a blanket on her and a bareback pad with a cinch and a saddle and it don't faze her at all. She acts like no big deal. She's coming along fast. But I am still not doing anythinng too majot as long as she's doing so well I am testing her a little more each day. When she didnt seem to mind the saddle I leaned over it with some of my body weight and she didnt move and just stood there like it had been done a thousand times before. So it's going very well.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby WarriorPatriot » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:00 pm

Good! That's great to hear! Just stay where she's comfortable like you're doing. Get that good solid foundation on her. Any pictures or anything?
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby HAY MAKER » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:01 am

turn&burn92 wrote:Well, she will lead. The owner hired me because the lady that he took the horse to to have her calmed down, is an older lady and doessn't think this is something she can do, being an older woman. He called me by suggestion of that very woman. I worked with her over the summer giving little kids riding lessons, and she told him that I was very qualified to do this job. Anyway, so she will lead and let me scratch her on the butt. She is headshy. I begin my work with her Wednsday. I am still in wonder on anything that will help her to settle. I know some people have different beliefs in how to calm a nervous horse, and I am a believer in herbs and natural remedies. But anything that you know to work, I will greatly appreciate any advise. As I have said before I have broke horses before but none that are this nervous about people. Thanks


You seem determined to find a calming agent for your horse and used correctly they help,I use some on a horse I shoe.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby HAY MAKER » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:10 am

flaboy wrote:Keeps em focused on food instead of the job at hand.

Me thinks somebody listened to Parelli a bit too much.


treats work,just keep them at a minimum,be surprised at what you can get done with just a lunge line and a treat at the end of the day................good luck

PS everyone likes to be rewarded for a job well done :D
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby HAY MAKER » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:43 pm

Turn&burn,I left you a link to some calming agents,just checked it and it didnt work,so I will try again,if this one dont work go to valleyvet.com and get on the horse page and enter calming agent.............good luck

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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby turn&burn92 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:06 pm

I have pictures and am going to put them up as soon as I get a camera transfer cable. I am going slow but, I am keeping at a steady pace as long as she is comfortable with what I am doing. So far nothing I have done has bothered her. Today I caught her without feed. Normallly she won't come 'cept with a bucket. I was surprised. The owner is very happy with the way things are going. He's amazed that she's been coming along so quickly.
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby ArrowHBrand » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:49 pm

The first thing is to establish yourself as the leader of the herd. Don't let this mare misbehave in any way, not even a smidge because is you give an inch they'll try to take a mile. This is just what I do, by all means do what you are comfortable with, with these posts and research put together a regimen and go for it.

1. Again establish yourself as the herd leader. Halter the horse and lead the horse where you want to go. If you are going through gates or into or out of a barn you go through the doors first. Halter and tie the horse before you feed it every time. You are showing the horse that you are in control of the feed, but that you are also a good provider.
2. The first year (halter training, leading, tieing, holding feet, tacking up, all ground work) keep the training sessions short, 30 minutes or so, but positive. If you get hitched on something you are trying to train and the mare just isn't getting it, ask her to do something she knows, praise her, then take a step back. Ask yourself why she isn't getting it. Is it you or are you asking her in a way that needs to be changed so she does get it? Use longeing to teach verbal cues such as walk, trot, the canter, and whoah. Anytime when saying whoah, riding or leading, it's not a request it's an order.
3. When first saddling go slow. The first few sessions get the horse used to having someone "up there". Ponying the mare alongside another horse is a great way to help her overcome her fear of having someone above them. Remember a horse is a prey animal and has instincts that say anything on it's back is bad. They are showing a lot of trust in us to allow us to be up there and lead them where we want to go.
4. As the mare accepts to be ridden increase your time in the saddle. Wet backs and blankets will make a good horse. The first thing I teach a horse is to whoah. When things go sour you want to have the confidence that she's going to stop. Then walk, trot, and finally canter. The first summer I ride a horse, that fall they are turned out until the next spring. Remember, at one time or other every horse is going to come up with the idea that they don't like all of this new work and will rebel in one degree or other. You'll just have to work through it.
5. Make a plan. I sit down and lay out what I want to teach this horse this year. It's different for each horse that I train because some will learn faster than others and some are trained for ranch work vs. pleasure competition. However, when working with animals this plan isn't set in stone. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. Also don't move onto something new until you have accomplished what you have set out to do. Example, you want to teach a horse to stand quietly for a farrier but they are acting up, don't move onto something else. Stick it out and you'll end up with a better horse in the end.

This is just what has worked for me and my wife, but feel free to completely ignore this whole post if you desire, no big deal. Good luck!
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Re: Breaking a Young Horse.

Postby turn&burn92 » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:33 am

She pretty much knows I am the leader. Every time I do a new thing, she turns to me to make sure that it's okay. When I was standing on a set of steps above her head she acted nervous but I petted her and she calmed right down. She looks to me for that reassurance that everything will be okay, and thats what I have been trying to get her to do. She is coming along great...:D
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