Real Breeders

[jscunn]

I think that Triple L is going to black baldie production.. using Candy Meadow bulls probably. I swear I read that somewhere. I posted my thoughts on Candy Meadow, I didnt think anyone would recognize the name if I put them on my list. Another hereford outfit that I was impressed with was JWR, I truly hope that they continue without Wesley. Tom Boatman is a sharp guy.

[LaneFarms]

Judd Ranch for the Gelbvieh breed.

[greenwillowhereford II]

LLL is selling all of their cows with calves at side that are between 2or3 and 6 or 7, don't remember the exact ages. This is due to losing some of their hay and pasture leases. But the catalog didn't say anything about getting out of the Hereford business altogether.

[ND Angus]

Angus

LaGrand
Frey
Vollmer
Schaff
Myers

Hereford
Rockman
Carter

Char.

Miller
Holen
Bina

Chi

Schafer

Just my opinion.

[pdfangus]

I would not dare type an opinion here because I know there are a great number of high quality breeders out there that don't advertise in the national publications and that I have never heard of.

Don't confuse quality promotion and marketing with quality cattle.

Not critizicing any of the operations named and I have used semen from angus bulls from several of them. Just offering that I would not limit myself with a narrow list.

the strength of the angus breed is the wide genetic base and the diversity of the breeders and the diversity of the envionments that the cattle are raised in and the ability to perform in all these environments.

[CopeMan]

Doc brought up an interesting topic for discussion. Who are the real breeders in each breed. I am talking about long term programs that have a plan and a vision. Second question who will the next batch of true breeders be.

I will start

Angus

Stevenson Basin
Gardiners
Sitz
Wehrman
Sydenstricker
Shosone

Hereford

Remitall (maybe gone soon)
Cooper
Holden

Now each of these programs are different some very different. But they all seem to take care of their core customers which is why they have all been in business for a long time. Now who will still be around 20 years from now??

Stevenson Basin split. There is now Stevenson Genetics, and the other is Basin Angus. They also are, or already have dispersed there Red Angus herd. Gardiner is a great outfit to, very top notch. Wehrman Angus in VA is an awesome angus operation, Richard McClung, the manager is a smart man when it comes to cattle and Angus. I live right on the VA line and I have to plug Va raised cattle, Joel Walters, the producer of the American Rancher show on RFD-TV told me that when he did the episode on the Pitchfork Ranch in Guthrie, TX that the manager Ron Lane kept telling him the "Virginia bulls" in Pitchforks large bull battery outperformed and got around there rough country better than any. I can say Richard McClung was very happy to hear this. On another note, such ranches as the R.A. Brown Ranch , they have great Angus cattle, some of the best. But Ive been told by one of there co-op producers that they are now moving a great deal toward producing more Red Angus, and plan to have just as many or more Red Angus available in the sale this year as they would Black Angus. I Salute!! If it sells, and there is a demand! Kudos, I like those red angus!

[Brandonm22]

I know I have an Alabama bias and I have not traveled enough to properly compare breeders from all over the country; but both Tennessee River Music and Debters breed good cattle. Sometimes over the years TRM has chased the show ring a little too much for my taste; but if you look at the totality of their program which ranges from showy cattle like Thor and CS Boomer too more functional cattle like Missle, KPH Phase, Grand Finale, and Kudzu too co-owning much of the Trask cattle with Clemson I think they have something for everyone and I have found them pretty easy too deal with. Debter has much more of a commercial focus and far less variation in the lines in which they deal; but if you want functional Line 1 genetics in volume they have it. I am sure other states have very comparable breeders. Maybe I am just lazy; BUT I would really have to flat out LOVE the cattle up in Canada or Montana for me to drive that far hauling live cattle back from a sale. I am much less knowledgable about the Angus breeders in our state but both Ray and BoBo seem to have most of the popular bloodlines in enough quantity too satisfy most people's needs.

[Herefords.US]

Debter has much more of a commercial focus and far less variation in the lines in which they deal; but if you want functional Line 1 genetics in volume they have it. I am sure other states have very comparable breeders.

Debter has great Line 1 Herefords, as do many other breeders in the country. It is my belief that the Line 1 cattle have become so diverse and widely bred that many have actually become too heterozygous in their genetic makeup. I think the next "great breeder" of Line 1 cattle will likely be the one that decides to tighten up those genetics by taking the most favorable animals for the traits he/she is breeding for and intensifying them in those traits through closebreeding.

George

[greenwillowhereford II]

Debter has much more of a commercial focus and far less variation in the lines in which they deal; but if you want functional Line 1 genetics in volume they have it. I am sure other states have very comparable breeders.

Debter has great Line 1 Herefords, as do many other breeders in the country. It is my belief that the Line 1 cattle have become so diverse and widely bred that many have actually become too heterozygous in their genetic makeup. I think the next "great breeder" of Line 1 cattle will likely be the one that decides to tighten up those genetics by taking the most favorable animals for the traits he/she is breeding for and intensifying them in those traits through closebreeding.

George

Good call. I think you are right. I've been less than favorable about Line Ones at times, but what you suggest could make me like them more.

[blackangus]

I am new here and just came across this post but wanted to add my 2 cents!

REDLAND ANGUS in Wyoming seems to be the up and coming commercial cattlemens place to buy bulls.

[alexfarms]

Angus

LaGrand
Frey
Vollmer
Schaff
Myers

Hereford
Rockman
Carter

Char.

Miller
Holen
Bina

Chi

Schafer

Just my opinion.

Do you have any info on Rockman? Is this some of the descendants of Lloyd Rockman? Or is it Rockeman?

[lcc]

stevnson have the greatest deal. the best place in the world. . they will be here forever. Gard. angus what leader they are. they will out live us all. Sitz great ranch at harrison &dillon.they will last. Cooper &Holden the best hereford cattle ever. all of these ranches will be in hall of fame.

[bigbull338]

the truth is theres alot of well known seedstock breeders in every breed.i know in the beefmasters theres to meny well known breeder programs to name.an yes i know quiet a few big name breeders.

[BA]

lcc - you have listed some good multipliers.

[capt]

A very interesting question and very truly one that has the potential to cause a lot of BS to fly when there is no need. I would suggest, if I may, to change the question to who is a breeder and who is a multiplier. IMHO, most of the angus 'breeders' listed I would not necessarily call breeders but rather multipliers. I am not saying they do not have a program or are very successful in what they offer. I just don't agree with calling all of them a breeder. To make it interesting I will pony up and say two Angus outfits I would call breeders would be Jorgensen and Sinclair(N Bar included). Possibly also Green Garden Angus and Nichols Farms. Hereford side I would suggest Meitler, K&B, Pedretti, Jamison, Jim Lents, Frank Felton. No doubt that all or even anyone would agree with me, but to me there is a significant difference between being a breeder and being a multiplier. The future breeders in my mind are those with a plan in place, an understanding of mathematical statistics, a keen knowledge of animal breeding principles, the ability to evaluate cattle objectively and possess the discipline to keep the good and cull the bad.