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Re: Hey Texans - Whatever happened with Twin Peaks?

Postby TexasBred » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:43 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:I read lots of cop bashing on this forum and frankly it disgusts me. I don't have an axe to grind and don't even have any law enforcement officers in my family. I was just raised to respect authority.

Same here. Had them help me many more times than they've questioned me. No doubt there are bad cops, foolish cops and stupid cops (sort of like the rest of us). Hopefully they thin themselves over time. Guess the thing that gets me is that the same people doing the same bytching are the same ones that when they see something on TV think the cop should shot the guy, arrest him or beat the he// out of him when all he does is stand at attention and do nothing because in reality the other guy has done nothing illegal.
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Re: Hey Texans - Whatever happened with Twin Peaks?

Postby Brute 23 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:47 pm

I use to wonder why some people were so scared of dogs. It's just a dog. Had them all my life. One day I was bit by a dog. Now I understand.

If you have never been taken out of your vehicle at gun point with a cop hollering at you... you probably don't understand.
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Re: Hey Texans - Whatever happened with Twin Peaks?

Postby SteppedInIt » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:53 pm

Brute 23 wrote:I use to wonder why some people were so scared of dogs. It's just a dog. Had them all my life. One day I was bit by a dog. Now I understand.

If you have never been taken out of your vehicle at gun point with a cop hollering at you... you probably don't understand.

Agreed. And I have LEO in my family. Always ask em why they aren't peace officers instead. Get a weird look.
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Re: Hey Texans - Whatever happened with Twin Peaks?

Postby TexasBred » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:18 pm

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Brute 23 wrote:I use to wonder why some people were so scared of dogs. It's just a dog. Had them all my life. One day I was bit by a dog. Now I understand.

If you have never been taken out of your vehicle at gun point with a cop hollering at you... you probably don't understand.

Agreed. And I have LEO in my family. Always ask em why they aren't peace officers instead. Get a weird look.

Here you go. Pretty long but pretty well written as well. Enjoy.


Los Angeles, California February 16, 2007
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Understanding “Peace Officer” vs. “Law Enforcement Officer”


Not long ago all law enforcement officers were referred to as “Peace Officers,” but a transition has slowly set in, in which now all peace officers have become known as “Law Enforcement Officers.” Is this just semantics in title, or is there really a difference? That is the subject of this addition to my “Understanding” series “by Ron Branson” on various items of public service.

To start out, we note that one title contains the word “Peace,” and the other “Enforcement.” Do these two titles denote the same thing, or is there a difference? Most any grade school graduate can understand them to be two different things. But to the naked eye, one might argue that both wear a uniform, have a badge, and carry a gun, and therefore are one and the same.

The distinction is not one of appearance, but rather one of objective. In all of society life is competition, and everything works from three basic positions: “A” versus “B” mediated by “C,” the latter of which is a neutral position that may be called a mediator, an arbitrator, a referee, an umpire, or a judge. Everyone in the competitive society of life is either a player, or a neutral participant. While the competition of “A” and “B” could also include the competition of “D,” “E,” and “F,” there can be only one “C” who absolutely must have no interest in the outcome between A, B, D, E, and F. Once “C” manifests an interest in the competition between A, B, D, E, and F, he automatically forfeits his position as a neutral participant, and becomes a player in the competition.

Every game of sport provides an excellent illustration of the game of life. No judge in an Olympian race can enter himself into the race as a candidate. The moment he does, he forfeits his neutral position as judge because he now has an interest in the outcome.
This illustrates why there can exist no such thing as a “government interest” because the moment government obtains an interest in the outcome, it ceases to be government and becomes a contestant in the competitive world in which someone else must necessarily step up to assume the role of “government.” “Government” must absolutely be neutral, or it ceases to be government!

That is a profound statement I have just made because the courts in America have recognized “an overriding governmental interest,” U.S. v. Lee, 102 S. Ct. 1051 (1982), and Bowen v. Roy, 476 U.S. 693 (1986), both dealing with the mandatory numbering of all Americans to support the Social Security Administration. However, any true-thinking person can quickly see that by the very principles of nature itself, there cannot exist a “governmental interest” at all, much less an “overriding” one. Once the existence of such a principle is introduced, there can be no end, for it works like the camel’s nose under your tent; you will soon be sleeping with the camel, or worse yet, be crowded out totally from under the tent, for everything will eventually be done to accomplish “an overriding governmental interest!”

With this as a background, let me explain the distinction between a “Peace Officer,” and a “Law Enforcement Officer.” The objective of a peace officer is peace, nothing more. He has no interest in the cause of A over B, but seeks only peace, which benefits A, B, D, E, and F. In fact, the whole purpose for all government in society is justice which results in peace. Peace is not possible where there is no justice. Said another way, where there is no justice, there can be no peace; and where there is no peace, you can count on the fact that it is because there is no justice. When a peace officer arrives on the scene, his objective is to separate the disputing factors and quell the tension --whether it be a fight between a husband and wife, or feuding neighbors. He has no inherent interest in arresting anyone upon arrival at the scene. Such pursuit of peace is a rewarding objective. The Bible tells us, “Blessed are the peacemakers.” Matt. 5:9.

So now let us discuss a “Law Enforcement Officer.” His interest, as his title indicates, is enforcing the law. Now we have already stated that the objective of all government must be the establishment of peace through justice. So the question now turns to whether law enforcement’s only interest is seeking peace. I state emphatically, “NO!” Let me again illustrate with a sports game – baseball.
Baseball, as with all sports, has rules. The purpose of those rules, which we might here call “laws,” are made to assure that everyone plays on a level playing field and thus keeps the peace. One batter cannot be granted five strikes while another is limited to two. All rules must contribute to the objective of obtaining peace between the competing sides. Obviously, if one side or the other cannot agree as to what the rules are, or to abide by them for the benefit of both sides, there can be no peace, i.e., no game can possibly be played. This natural principle of law is true even where the opponents are fighting in a ring. The objective of all rules/laws must be peace!

Applying this law of nature to all rules and all laws governing society, let us consider the incidents where the rule or the law’s objective is not peace. We accept that the umpire is the decision-maker in baseball; and both sides agree to honor his judgment, whether or not they agree with any particular play. Conceptually, both sides agree that the umpire is trying to keep the peace by being honest and just in calling each and every play, and is not motivated by a personal interest in the outcome, such as a bet on the game.

Now suppose the umpire, pursuant to the authority and permission of the Baseball Commission, imposes a fine against every player in the game for each strike in the amount of $10, (an “infraction,”) and $100 (a “misdemeanor”) for each out, and finally $1000 (a “felony”) for each accumulation of 10 strikes. The “laws/rules” provide that the Baseball Commission receives 90% of the proceeds, and the umpire 10%. It is declared “perfectly legal,” and such practice “is endorsed by the courts” –see, here it is, pointing to the published opinion of “United Baseball Players v. Baseball Commission, 666 U.S. 911, (2069).” Now the enforcement of this rule/law is “enforceable;” and the Commission is within its right to pursue the players for failure to pay this fee/fine, and it is authorized to send forth law enforcement officers with badges and guns to collect this fee or throw the players in jail. What has happened is, while this enforcement is “perfectly legal,” it has violated the fundamental laws of nature: that all laws must be for the purpose of bringing about peace through justice. Imposing a fine upon the players in a baseball game is neither a pursuit of justice nor peace, but rather the pursuit of the Commission’s own interest --that of collecting fines. And since collecting fines is the Commission’s interest, it then follows that their next step is maximizing those fines, i.e, increasing the numbers and amounts of the fines. Therefore, the “neutral” umpire, who has “no interest” in the outcome, starts “interpreting” more questionable calls in favor of strikes, the Baseball Commissioners, and his own 10% commission. Again I say, show me an umpire that has a “little bit” of interest in the outcome of a game, and I will show you a man that under any natural standard is disqualified as an umpire.

A “Law Enforcement Officer” is contending for the interest of those who hire him to “enforce” their “laws/rules” having nothing to do with peace or justice, only with profits for those who have sent him. The objective is greed-oriented.
The term “law enforcement officer” connotates the mentality of a fascist police state that has no interest in peace—just sheer obedience to the interests of the authority that pays him, i.e., he gets a cut of the profits of tyranny. There is no difference in this scenario than a driver of a get-away car receiving part of the “profits” of a bank robbery when splitting up the booty; except the former is a “legal” heist, while the latter an illegal one. The former is accomplished with an official uniform and badge, while the latter with a mask and bag.

By the very laws of nature, there cannot exist a “Law Enforcement Officer,” for if such were true, then we could all make ourselves “law enforcement officers,” for life itself must be a level playing field for all competitive interests. Life is not supposed to be “government.” It is supposed to be about society getting along peaceably with each other as much as is possible; and society needs only so much government as is necessary to bring about that objective, “Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.”

-- Thomas Paine
So now we know why the foreign power, under color of “government,” has purposely designed the extermination of every reference to “peace officers” to metamorphose them into “law enforcement officers.” The objective is designed to subjugate the American People to obedience to an all-powerful, ever-expanding law enforcement police state. According to the foreign power, there can never be enough “law enforcement officers” —the more, the better! And if there aren’t enough “laws” for these “law enforcement officers” to enforce, do not worry because the foreign power will surely pass more.

Only by judicial accountability to the People through J.A.I.L. will their plans be thwarted!
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Re: Hey Texans - Whatever happened with Twin Peaks?

Postby Brute 23 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:43 pm

Good article. The 4th paragraph pretty much sums where we are, and headed.

Over the history of our country our govt and it's officers have persecuted groups of people for one reason or another... Native Americans, Chinese, African Americans, ect. To say it's not happening again or won't happen is a blatant disregard for our history.

I believe in my life time as a white, hope to be affluent, gun owning, male... I will be the next target.
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Postby wacocowboy » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:35 pm

Interesting read TB thanks for posting that. It says a lot about the way things are today.
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Postby Son of Butch » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:40 am

Mistrial - hung jury with majority voting not guilty... interesting
The state has had 2 1/2 years to put their case together, apparently they've misjudged on which charges they can get
a conviction.
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Postby greybeard » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:35 am

Prosecutors should have expected this outcome.
"We were ambushed in a war zone," Carrizal told CNN. "I had never been that scared in my life."

Translates to "Ah feared for mah life"
Potential jurors have been conditioned over the last 5-10 years to accept that defense by anyone and everyone and shouldn't be surprised when alleged criminals successfully use it to their advantage as well.
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Postby Son of Butch » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:24 am

To mock anyone saying "Ah feared for mah life" in an incident that killed 9 is childish to say the least.
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Re: Hey Texans - Whatever happened with Twin Peaks?

Postby callmefence » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:52 am

The truth generally lies in the middle.
I believe there was some real criminals here. But some that were not.
The swat team did a good job. With no civilian casualties. But the investigation and roundup of everyone there was a huge mistake by police.
Everyone makes mistakes. If law enforcement would just come out when they do and say we screwed up and were sorry instead of trying to cover things up. I believe most people would appreciate that over being lied to.
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Re: Hey Texans - Whatever happened with Twin Peaks?

Postby bball » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:20 am

callmefence wrote:The truth generally lies in the middle.
I believe there was some real criminals here. But some that were not.
The swat team did a good job. With no civilian casualties. But the investigation and roundup of everyone there was a huge mistake by police.
Everyone makes mistakes. If law enforcement would just come out when they do and say we screwed up and were sorry instead of trying to cover things up. I believe most people would appreciate that over being lied to.


This post really nails It! Transparency and ownership of mistakes is too infrequent. Does a great deal to violate trust. Not just with LEO, but media, and many other arenas..including healthcare.
I'm certain fear of lawsuits and personal consequences goes a long way to assist with cover ups and rug sweepings.
Being a LEO in today's climate rates right up there with being a mom as one of the most challenging occupations/vocations. High risk on many levels for low reward.(LEO, not mom).
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Postby slick4591 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:56 pm

I see it a little differently as everyone there is either a suspect or witness. Either way they need to be identified and their role established, whatever that be.
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Postby Son of Butch » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:48 pm

Witnesses don't get arrested except to intimidate.
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