can you explain why you raise the cattle you do?

[Caustic Burno]

Cant beat a good old angus hereford X, with a little brangus thrown in for the heat tolerance! Dang they look good! Personal opinion of course.

I agree 100% on Herf/Brangus cross, dang Brangus cows are outragous in this neck of the wood's.
Those calves ring the bell at the salebarn and mash down the scales.

[djinwa]

Cant beat a good old angus hereford X, with a little brangus thrown in for the heat tolerance! Dang they look good! Personal opinion of course.

I keep wondering why you need blacks instead of reds, and lose heat tolerance, then have to add brangus to get it back.

Why not use red brangus and actually get ahead?

[Caustic Burno]

Cant beat a good old angus hereford X, with a little brangus thrown in for the heat tolerance! Dang they look good! Personal opinion of course.

I keep wondering why you need blacks instead of reds, and lose heat tolerance, then have to add brangus to get it back.

Why not use red brangus and actually get ahead?

I prefer a red cow over black as I have options by just changing the bull.

[cross_7]

Cant beat a good old angus hereford X, with a little brangus thrown in for the heat tolerance! Dang they look good! Personal opinion of course.

I agree 100% on Herf/Brangus cross, dang Brangus cows are outragous in this neck of the wood's.
Those calves ring the bell at the salebarn and mash down the scales.

imo it don't get no better

[Anguscattle]

Cant beat a good old angus hereford X, with a little brangus thrown in for the heat tolerance! Dang they look good! Personal opinion of course.

I keep wondering why you need blacks instead of reds, and lose heat tolerance, then have to add brangus to get it back.

Why not use red brangus and actually get ahead?

Personal preferrence i guess. Plus, there arent too many red brangus around here that ive noticed

[Caustic Burno]

I thought about Red Brangus hard, fellow about seven miles north of me as the crow flies raises them.
Thought about Beefmasters as well just aint crazy about the bulls love the cow's, get to many wild colors on the calves.
Looks like a box of crayon's in the trailer. Char over Herf's crossed my mind, I just don't like eating crow, it aint to bad till you get to the beaks and feet. I swore in the seventies I would never have anything to do with a pallethead Char again. With the sucess the neighbor is having with them, I might have to pick out one for the Mrs. to buy on the next bull, if I can get over the night terror's. Wife bought a good lookin Angus put the papers in the wifes name so I can still say I have never owned one.
This guy that raise's the Brangus has some good looking boy's but they are expensive compared to the other breeds.
He must not have any trouble selling them.

[Kathie in Thorp]

Been out of town for a couple of days. BA guys, I've got nothing against your cattle -- they just aren't the cattle for us. And like I (think) I said before, I originally thought CAB beef had more to do with percentage of purebred, than 51% color + carcass quality. I hadn't studied it. I think everyone in the beef business, today (if not drought affected) is better off than a year ago. The registries that haven't promoted like AAA only have themselves to blame if they aren't getting the press/promotion that Angus does. To me, that's the long and short of it: We keep the cattle we keep because they are good for our souls and/or good for our bank accounts.

Hope everyone had a good weekend. It is absolutely, fabulously beautiful weather here today! Mid 70's, with none of our normal wind. A lady near my daughter's home (where I spent the weekend) starts our tomatoes for us and several of my co-workers every year. I called her last night; tomatoes plants were big enough to leave home, so I picked those up on the way home today. We'll put them under "Walls of Water" when we put them in next weekend, for 10 days or so if needed -- then they should be off and running. HELLOOOOOOO SPRING!

[Stepbystep]

I thought about Red Brangus hard, fellow about seven miles north of me as the crow flies raises them.
Thought about Beefmasters as well just aint crazy about the bulls love the cow's, get to many wild colors on the calves.
Looks like a box of crayon's in the trailer. Char over Herf's crossed my mind, I just don't like eating crow, it aint to bad till you get to the beaks and feet. I swore in the seventies I would never have anything to do with a pallethead Char again. With the sucess the neighbor is having with them, I might have to pick out one for the Mrs. to buy on the next bull, if I can get over the night terror's. Wife bought a good lookin Angus put the papers in the wifes name so I can still say I have never owned one.
This guy that raise's the Brangus has some good looking boy's but they are expensive compared to the other breeds.
He must not have any trouble selling them.

Curious Bruno
Whay do you think is wrong with the Beefmaster bulls?

[Caustic Burno]

I don't care for the wild color pattern's you can get in a terminal cow calf operation.
That Shorthorn DNA comes out of the woodpile from time to time.

[TexasBred]

Cant beat a good old angus hereford X, with a little brangus thrown in for the heat tolerance! Dang they look good! Personal opinion of course.

I keep wondering why you need blacks instead of reds, and lose heat tolerance, then have to add brangus to get it back.

Why not use red brangus and actually get ahead?

The blacks will perform just as well as the red and their calves will sell for more money. Very simple.

[Massey135]

But it's not a true picture about what the average American is buying -- they are NOT buying purebred or even high percentage Angus. Just carcass qualities.

What kinda numbers are we looking at as far as calves that qualify for CAB but that are not high percentage Angus?

I think the # is very small. Especially since the only breeds to go black are the continentals.. now how many continental breeds are there that regularly grade choice? if ever?

[Anguscattle]

But it's not a true picture about what the average American is buying -- they are NOT buying purebred or even high percentage Angus. Just carcass qualities.

What kinda numbers are we looking at as far as calves that qualify for CAB but that are not high percentage Angus?

I think the # is very small. Especially since the only breeds to go black are the continentals.. now how many continental breeds are there that regularly grade choice? if ever?

The continentals might be getting closer to those quality grades with outside genetics. Its certainly possible. I dont really know what the numbers are, but i think there has to be SOME angus left in the CAB. Thats where you make up your QG

[Massey135]

I thought about Red Brangus hard, fellow about seven miles north of me as the crow flies raises them.
Thought about Beefmasters as well just aint crazy about the bulls love the cow's, get to many wild colors on the calves.
Looks like a box of crayon's in the trailer. Char over Herf's crossed my mind, I just don't like eating crow, it aint to bad till you get to the beaks and feet. I swore in the seventies I would never have anything to do with a pallethead Char again. With the sucess the neighbor is having with them, I might have to pick out one for the Mrs. to buy on the next bull, if I can get over the night terror's. Wife bought a good lookin Angus put the papers in the wifes name so I can still say I have never owned one.
This guy that raise's the Brangus has some good looking boy's but they are expensive compared to the other breeds.
He must not have any trouble selling them.

I've used 5-6 different Beefmaster bulls over the years and never once had a colored calf. Red Beefmasters bred to homozygous black cows will throw black calves every time. I've only been to a cpl purebred Beefmaster ranches but both places had pastures full of solid colored cattle. I wouldn't give a penny over mkt for a black beefmaster.

Many smooth polled chars out there too that throw mid80lbers. I bought a Char bull from M6 last year. 91lb bw. Calved out close to 30 mixed breed cattle to him- didn't pull one.

[Kathie in Thorp]

But it's not a true picture about what the average American is buying -- they are NOT buying purebred or even high percentage Angus. Just carcass qualities.

What kinda numbers are we looking at as far as calves that qualify for CAB but that are not high percentage Angus?

I think the # is very small. Especially since the only breeds to go black are the continentals.. now how many continental breeds are there that regularly grade choice? if ever?

MF -- I don't know what the numbers are. The point I was trying to make (which was the point Angus people were trying to sell to me) is that CAB is ANGUS! I figured 100% at the time. Probably 98% of CAB buyers at the grocery store don't know the criteria. They don't know about carcass quality; they don't know that CAB beef can have lots of white or lots of red -- AAA, with the CAB program, have sold them on black-skin beef. I have heifers out here that are 7/8 to 15/16 BA. One is red, one is sandy/gold, and one is brown buff. They would not qualify for CAB, vs. less percentage BA, via color.

This is not a "fight" for me, except that the average American consumer believes that CAB is the best beef available. I don't. It's good -- lots of other beef is as good or better. It's in the very successful marketing of AAA.