can you explain why you raise the cattle you do?

[Caustic Burno]

We keep the cattle we do because we just flat like them. British Whites. Decent temperament; easy calvers bred to the right-framed bull; really good mamas; they finish out well and taste every bit as good as any "certified" beef I've had; they have few health issues; and are predominately dark-skinned but white haired, which knocks out most pink-eye problems. And they're pretty to look at. Works for us.

Always thought that BW were pretty cow's, lady about ten miles from me has a nice size herd of them.
Those cow's are dog gentle, looks to me like nothing but a white Angus with none of the bad traits.

Is that lady's name West, CB?

That's her

[cow pollinater]

The problem from day one it was based on color. .

That's a problem NOW... I don't think that it was from the start. If you look at across breed EPD's angus has been and still is the leader for marbling among the most prevelant breeds. A well marbled steak from any breed will absolutely top an average angus any day of the week but for the blind consumer who is buying blind and wants a marbled steak, the best bet is to ask for angus. On average it will be better marbled.

[cow pollinater]

Just curious, CP, because I don't know . . . . did they use a live vaccine or a dead vaccine for pink-eye? I've always thought that live vaccines were more likely to cause a problem . . . but the others may not be as effective. ??

I don't remember what vaccine they used... That was twelve years ago. Thanks alot... I feel really old now.

[Kathie in Thorp]

Just curious, CP, because I don't know . . . . did they use a live vaccine or a dead vaccine for pink-eye? I've always thought that live vaccines were more likely to cause a problem . . . but the others may not be as effective. ??

I don't remember what vaccine they used... That was twelve years ago. Thanks alot... I feel really old now.

Hah!! You just forgot -- I don't even know! You're ahead.

[Caustic Burno]

The problem from day one it was based on color. .

That's a problem NOW... I don't think that it was from the start. If you look at across breed EPD's angus has been and still is the leader for marbling among the most prevelant breeds. A well marbled steak from any breed will absolutely top an average angus any day of the week but for the blind consumer who is buying blind and wants a marbled steak, the best bet is to ask for angus. On average it will be better marbled.

The problem with that is there is not enough Angus in the country to supply what is being sold as CAB.
This proves the consumer doesn't know cow shyt from wild honey they are buying into a fraud.
CAB stands for Certified Angus Beef that's hard to do when most of it aint Angus.

[cow pollinater]

The problem from day one it was based on color. .

That's a problem NOW... I don't think that it was from the start. If you look at across breed EPD's angus has been and still is the leader for marbling among the most prevelant breeds. A well marbled steak from any breed will absolutely top an average angus any day of the week but for the blind consumer who is buying blind and wants a marbled steak, the best bet is to ask for angus. On average it will be better marbled.

The problem with that is there is not enough Angus in the country to supply what is being sold as CAB.
This proves the consumer doesn't know cow shyt from wild honey they are buying into a fraud.
CAB stands for Certified Angus Beef that's hard to do when most of it aint Angus.

That's why it started as a hide color... Black most likely meant obvious angus influence. At the time that meant better(and still does but the margin is much more slim). Now it's a marketing tool but still an effective one... Look at all the breeds scrambling to improve carcass traits. CAB might not stand for angus anymore but it does show that someone cared enough to change to meet market demand and that should mean a better carcass.

[Caustic Burno]

CAB is one lawsuit away from crumbling like a house of cards. That hurt's all cattle raiser's and make's it look like we adhere to deceptive practice's. The right consumer group start pulling beef out of grocier counters under the CAB sign that say's Certified Angus Beef and dna testing. That is when the crap is going to hit the fan. We are already viewed as evil by certain groups.

[VanC]

CAB is one lawsuit away from crumbling like a house of cards. That hurt's all cattle raiser's and make's it look like we adhere to deceptive practice's. The right consumer group start pulling beef out of grocier counters under the CAB sign that say's Certified Angus Beef and dna testing. That is when the crap is going to hit the fan. We are already viewed as evil by certain groups.

I argued this same thing a few years ago with a certain Angus breeder that no longer posts here. Yes, the whole CAB thing is perfectly legal, even if there's little or no Angus blood in it, but I could see it turning into a PR nightmare. All it takes is an enterprising young reporter and a slow news day and things could get out of hand real quick. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

[Caustic Burno]

CAB is one lawsuit away from crumbling like a house of cards. That hurt's all cattle raiser's and make's it look like we adhere to deceptive practice's. The right consumer group start pulling beef out of grocier counters under the CAB sign that say's Certified Angus Beef and dna testing. That is when the crap is going to hit the fan. We are already viewed as evil by certain groups.

I argued this same thing a few years ago with a certain Angus breeder that no longer posts here. Yes, the whole CAB thing is perfectly legal, even if there's little or no Angus blood in it, but I could see it turning into a PR nightmare. All it takes is an enterprising young reporter and a slow news day and things could get out of hand real quick. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

Van if I were an Angus seedstock producer I would be raising He!! with the association to make CAB Angus beef.
You are dead on about a slow day and you might not be able to give the breed away and that would be a shame.
There are three essential breeds IMO Angus, Brahman and Hereford, the Angus people have done their best to destroy the Brahman, they may end up having to take their medicine.

[SANDTRAP]

This thread sheds some light on my junk cattle thread.
Some of the reasons I read for not liking Angus cattle are just grasping for a reason to not like them because you are just hammerheaded.
The consumer buys CAB because it will be a quality marbled steak either prime or choice. They don't care if it's Angus they just want a quality cut of meat.
It's not so much about Angus but the standards for CAB that teh consumer is buying.
As far as the Brahman cattle go they too can qualify for CAB if they are 50% Angus and will grade prime or choice, but thats the problem with the Brahman cattle.

[Kathie in Thorp]

This thread makes me wonder if "CAB" really means anything, except some percentage of Angus, which the Angus people have done a mighty fine job of promoting -- and I say that seriously, not tongue-in-cheek. Some months ago, somebody gave a long explanation about what requirements had to be met for CAB.

[Caustic Burno]

This thread sheds some light on my junk cattle thread.
Some of the reasons I read for not liking Angus cattle are just grasping for a reason to not like them because you are just hammerheaded.
The consumer buys CAB because it will be a quality marbled steak either prime or choice. They don't care if it's Angus they just want a quality cut of meat.
It's not so much about Angus but the standards for CAB that teh consumer is buying.
As far as the Brahman cattle go they too can qualify for CAB if they are 50% Angus and will grade prime or choice, but thats the problem with the Brahman cattle.

The point is not it's quality steak it is being marketed as something it's not.
You and I along with 99% Americans couldn't tell the difference in Angus, Brimmer or Water Buffalo.
Typical Angus breeder arrogance if it aint Angus it's junk.
You are not protecting the breed defending a fraud.

[Anguscattle]

So we all know what the CAB is and isnt, so why all the back and forth? Either accept what it is or try to change it.

[Anguscattle]

And honestly, the reason why i say that is bc im confused. I cant tell who is supporting the angus & cab and who is against it. Lol

[Kathie in Thorp]

There is probably more to this, than first glance, but this is what USDA says about CAB:

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELDEV3025519

And that USDA site says the CAB does not guarantee percentage -- it doesn't even say "black."