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Advice on what to buy

Post by MrSmith » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:19 am

I'm totally green when it comes to raising cows. I have some farm experience with other animals, but this is my first big time venture.

I've got $20k to start a herd.
I've got 100 acres of pretty good pasture land fenced and cross fenced in good shape. All the infrastructure is there, some just needs upkeep.

In my area now I can get 4-6 year olds, 2nd and 3rd stage pregnant for $1100 to $1500.
Would probably try to get 15 = $16-20k

Or

A herd of 46 just came up. 7-10 year olds (SS mouth) 3rd stage for $750.
Would probably get 20 = $15k

Which would you reccomend for someone like me?



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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Caustic Burno » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:37 am

On the SS I wouldn’t pay over 100 more than kill price. Not all of those are going to pan out and will be riding to the barn.Average kill price is .55 lb right now in my area.
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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by True Grit Farms » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:47 am

For someone just starting out with cattle they need to buy from a local established operation. Your definitely on the right track, don't buy any heifers untill you get a feel for cattle.
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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by JMER1533 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:53 pm

Before you decide between those two herds I'd figure what your marketing/selling plan along with management style is going to be and then select based on that. Do you want to sell calves at the local sale barn? Do you want to raise purebred, registered, cross? Do you plan to market bulls or replacement heifers? Will you be running a higher input (grain, supplements, etc) or are you looking for low-input, smaller framed cattle? The answers to these questions will help you refine the breed and type within the breed you're looking for. One thing I've learned over the years is with just about anything it's worth it to be detailed up front, spend the time getting it right the first time.

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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Son of Butch » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:39 pm

The ss 7-10 year olds for $750
1300 lbs x 54 cents = $702
1250 lbs x 54 cents = 675
1200 lbs x 54 cents = 648

15k gets you 20 SS @ $750
15k only gets you 12 @ 1250 hd (1100 - 1500 = $1300 hd average)
15k divided by 1300 = 11.5 cows and a 1/2 cow is guaranteed to be dead. :)

You'll have 40% more calves to sell (20 vs 12) in first year to off set cow age
and 16% more (15 vs 12) in the second year.
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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Brute 23 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:17 pm

Have you checked on stocking rates in your area to be sure 100 ac can sustain 35-40 head?
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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Son of Butch » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:24 pm

Brute 23 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:17 pm
Have you checked on stocking rates in your area to be sure 100 ac can sustain 35-40 head?
Why would choosing between 15 or 20 head require a stocking rate of 35 hd per 100 acres?

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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by ez14. » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:27 pm

Son of Butch wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:24 pm
Brute 23 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:17 pm
Have you checked on stocking rates in your area to be sure 100 ac can sustain 35-40 head?
Why would choosing between 15 or 20 head require a stocking rate of 35 hd per 100 acres?
Calves

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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Son of Butch » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:38 pm

A calf does not = 1 head and even if it did 15 + 15 = 30 not 35-40

Buying all 3rd stage will tighten your calving window, a group of 2nd and 3rd stage would drag out
calving to 100-130 days from first to last.

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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Brute 23 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:54 pm

ez14. wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:27 pm
Son of Butch wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:24 pm
Brute 23 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:17 pm
Have you checked on stocking rates in your area to be sure 100 ac can sustain 35-40 head?
Why would choosing between 15 or 20 head require a stocking rate of 35 hd per 100 acres?
Calves
I actually misread the original post. :)
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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Son of Butch » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:58 pm

Brute 23 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:54 pm
ez14. wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:27 pm
Son of Butch wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:24 pm

Why would choosing between 15 or 20 head require a stocking rate of 35 hd per 100 acres?
Calves
I actually misread the original post. :)
Easy to do... I've done it before on several occasions. :tiphat:

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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by snoopdog » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:26 pm

If you're wanting to buy all from the same herd, which I don't think is a bad idea, I like the 4-6 yr olds, probably quality cattle. I think you can do better on price though, at least a little. We are in the same area, and judicous buying can net you several more head, or a combination of young and ss to get you started and have some cash flow. Are you going to be buying hay for the winter?
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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by MrSmith » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:44 pm

I'll be looking to sell calves with minimal inputs at first. Don't want this to be too time consuming at first, so not wanting to get into purebred or anything serious.
Mostly just want them so I don't have to lease or mow it all.
Mainly looking at black cows cause I hear that's what sells best.
Previous owner ran 55 bred heifers.
Last leasee had mixed herd of 35-40 momma cows and a few steers and bulls feeding hay cut off me.
He was pretty hard on the pastures the last couple months.
I was thinking the land could take 20 mommas, maybe stockpile one pasture, and plenty of neighbors will hay on 1/2 shares.
If I get some money coming back in, it'll go into lime and fertilizer and spray, and when I up the carrying capacity I can keep some heifers.

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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:19 am

What county in NW Arkansas?

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Re: Advice on what to buy

Post by TNRiver » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:45 am

MrSmith wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:44 pm
I'll be looking to sell calves with minimal inputs at first. Don't want this to be too time consuming at first, so not wanting to get into purebred or anything serious.
Mostly just want them so I don't have to lease or mow it all.
Mainly looking at black cows cause I hear that's what sells best.
Previous owner ran 55 bred heifers.
Last leasee had mixed herd of 35-40 momma cows and a few steers and bulls feeding hay cut off me.
He was pretty hard on the pastures the last couple months.
I was thinking the land could take 20 mommas, maybe stockpile one pasture, and plenty of neighbors will hay on 1/2 shares.
If I get some money coming back in, it'll go into lime and fertilizer and spray, and when I up the carrying capacity I can keep some heifers.
Just my :2cents: , but it sounds like you have a solid plan there. I would definitely understock right now especially if you plan on feeding hay this winter. But, you could always stock to capacity (or slightly overstock) to have the cattle help you "clear the land" and then liquidate all or most in the fall. That can be risky, but i personally believe the market will be up this fall for a couple of reasons, main reason being the devastation and loss in the midwest this spring..
BUT.. as i type that I am reminded of my dad's favorite saying when I was growing up...
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