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Post by rw77 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:10 pm

hey everyone , I've been raising black Angus cattle for years and a couple months ago I went to the barn and a cow was giving birth , everything went well so I left and came back in a couple hours and this calf was a totally red heifer , I thought this was rare and googled red heifer and it seemed its quite rare , has anyone ever had one of these .



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Re: red heifer calf

Post by Rydero » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:18 pm

What was she bred to? Even if the bull was black he can be carrying a red recessive gene and she must be as well. I run primarily black cattle myself and tons of them carry a red gene - almost half I'd say.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by Rydero » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:19 pm

What was she bred to? Even if the bull was black he can be carrying a red recessive gene and she must be as well. I run primarily black cattle myself and tons of them carry a red gene - almost half I'd say.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by ga.prime » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:56 pm

If both black parents carry a red recessive gene, there's a 25% the calf will be red. Not rare.
where'd it come from, how'd it get there?

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by 76 Bar » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:30 pm

Here's how it works:
Red x Red:
100% progeny will be red (even if any red parent had a black parent)

Black Red Carrier x Red:
50% progeny will be red and 50% will be black. Reds will be pure red and blacks will all be red carriers.

Black (non red carrier) x Red
100% progeny will be black red carriers

Black Red Carrier x Black Red Carrier:
75% progeny will be black and 25% will be red. Of the blacks, two-thirds (or 50% of total progeny) will be red carriers, and one- third (or 25% of total progeny) will be non red carriers.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by Silver » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:23 am

It took a long time here to breed all the black out. Only thing harder to get rid of is black noses. Still have some of those.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by 76 Bar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:45 am

It took a long time here to breed all the black out. Only thing harder to get rid of is black noses. Still have some of those.
One of many things I appreciate is being able to occasionally incorporate worthy AAA bulls but you're spot on...eradicating the black color can be problematic. Don't mind the black noses & truth be told I'm rather fond of the often resultant ultra dark "points" on the otherwise red bulls.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by TJSideBiz » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:16 pm

76 Bar wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:30 pm
Here's how it works:
Red x Red:
100% progeny will be red (even if any red parent had a black parent)

Black Red Carrier x Red:
50% progeny will be red and 50% will be black. Reds will be pure red and blacks will all be red carriers.

Black (non red carrier) x Red
100% progeny will be black red carriers

Black Red Carrier x Black Red Carrier:
75% progeny will be black and 25% will be red. Of the blacks, two-thirds (or 50% of total progeny) will be red carriers, and one- third (or 25% of total progeny) will be non red carriers.
This is a good basic explanation. Here's another one posted by Rydero on March 13-
"Been a few questions about what color calves come out of different combinations how often. I'll explain it how I understand it. If anyone knows something I don't about different combos or breeds or thinks of something I don't please chime in.

Each cow or bull has 2 genes for basic color. Black is dominant over red. So for basic red and black cattle you can have - a red animal with 2 red genes, a black animal with one red and one black or a black with 2 black genes. Breed a red to a double black offspring will be black every time. Breed a red to a black carrying a red recessive gene and you'll get half black half red. Breed 2 blacks both with a recessive red gene and you'll get a red a quarter of the time."

I'll add this since I don't know how much you may know about genetics-The two color genes they refer to are black and red. The term "dominant" means that it will cover up the other gene (the recessive one) so that you see the dominant one. Offspring inherit one color gene from each parent. That means you could have a black cow that carries the recessive red gene but you'd never know because she appears black. If you mate her to a black bull that also carries the recessive red gene the calf could inherit 2 black genes and appear black, 1 black gene and 1 red gene and appear black (because black is dominant), or 2 red genes and appear red. Check out a Punnit Square for a visual explanation. -There's a whole host of other genes that effect color (diluant, pattern) but this is the basics.
(I think I got that right. Please correct me if I didn't.)

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by Rydero » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:44 pm

You got it IMO. keep meaning to add to that thread for white animals that aren't diluters (Roans) and about markings - I want to re-read and double check some info first but been busy with about 5 calves a day coming and the day job. Too tired for genetics to make much sense right now.

Side note - Had a calf that's silver with a white belt last night. I'm betting there aren't too many of those running around!

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by TJSideBiz » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:38 pm

Rydero wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:44 pm
You got it IMO. keep meaning to add to that thread for white animals that aren't diluters (Roans) and about markings - I want to re-read and double check some info first but been busy with about 5 calves a day coming and the day job. Too tired for genetics to make much sense right now.

Side note - Had a calf that's silver with a white belt last night. I'm betting there aren't too many of those running around!
5 calves a day-Yay! Day job-Boo. Silver with a white belt-Man I bet it's pretty.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by farmerjan » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:19 pm

Rydero wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:44 pm
You got it IMO. keep meaning to add to that thread for white animals that aren't diluters (Roans) and about markings - I want to re-read and double check some info first but been busy with about 5 calves a day coming and the day job. Too tired for genetics to make much sense right now.

Side note - Had a calf that's silver with a white belt last night. I'm betting there aren't too many of those running around!
Picture??? Please.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by rw77 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:40 am

In my case both parents were all black , I’ve only had all black angus for years , this is a first for me , I have learned a lot about the genetics and how they work , very interesting, thanks everyone

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by Rydero » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:52 pm

farmerjan wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:19 pm
Rydero wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:44 pm
You got it IMO. keep meaning to add to that thread for white animals that aren't diluters (Roans) and about markings - I want to re-read and double check some info first but been busy with about 5 calves a day coming and the day job. Too tired for genetics to make much sense right now.

Side note - Had a calf that's silver with a white belt last night. I'm betting there aren't too many of those running around!
Picture??? Please.
I'll get one, tried to get pictures on here and had a tough time but I'll do my best to oblige. Even nicer silver calf with a white face running around now too.

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Re: red heifer calf

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:26 am

rw77 wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:40 am
In my case both parents were all black , I’ve only had all black angus for years , this is a first for me , I have learned a lot about the genetics and how they work , very interesting, thanks everyone
So now you know the sire is a red carrier and so is the dam.
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Re: red heifer calf

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:28 am

where do you think the Red Angus came from? They came from registered Black Angus cows and bulls. Back in the 70's (in Kansas), farmers were known to have a red calf born and take it out back and knock it in the head. They had a "purebred" Angus herd and sure didn't want anyone to think their cattle weren't "pure".
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