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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:26 pm

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True Grit Farms wrote:Of course a clean gun shoots better, and a sharp knife cuts better. And a TRIMMED cow doesn't taste better. You can't understand that? Some folks just like fluff, even if it taste like crap.


Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, providers entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

I agree with all that and I'm not against showing cattle.


I have to say, I enjoy it. More entertaining to me than watching football.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

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Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, providers entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

I agree with all that and I'm not against showing cattle.


I have to say, I enjoy it. More entertaining to me than watching football.

I can't keep a secret, we have 2 heifers being shown in Madison by a couple of FFA kids. I was going to take some pictures when I see them again. I've paid for 2 tons of feed so far so they should be fat.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:12 pm

Holy crap. Grit, how many months worth of feed? I generally feed about 6#/hd/day on weaned calves. Post the pictures - looking forward to seeing them. I love to sponsor the kids. Not very many I will do it with, but there have been some over the years. Cattle generally stay here, and they have to come here & work with them minimum 4 times a week.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:18 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
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Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, providers entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

I agree with all that and I'm not against showing cattle.


I have to say, I enjoy it. More entertaining to me than watching football.


Over 101,000,000 people tuned in to watch the Super Bowl a couple of weeks ago. Doubt you'd get that kind of attention for a cattle show.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:23 pm

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True Grit Farms wrote:I agree with all that and I'm not against showing cattle.


I have to say, I enjoy it. More entertaining to me than watching football.


Over 101,000,000 people tuned in to watch the Super Bowl a couple of weeks ago. Doubt you'd get that kind of attention for a cattle show.


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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:25 pm

Since the end of October Jeanne.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:28 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
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True Grit Farms wrote:I agree with all that and I'm not against showing cattle.


I have to say, I enjoy it. More entertaining to me than watching football.


Over 101,000,000 people tuned in to watch the Super Bowl a couple of weeks ago. Doubt you'd get that kind of attention for a cattle show.

TT, the fairgrounds was full of people showing cattle. There's a lot of interest in showing around here.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Ebenezer » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:43 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
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Does gun shows make guns shoot better?
Does knife shows make knives cut better?


Of course not. Jeanne is correct. The anti-show crowd don't always make sense.

Of course a clean gun shoots better, and a sharp knife cuts better. And a TRIMMED cow doesn't taste better. You can't understand that? Some folks just like fluff, even if it taste like crap.


Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, provides entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

Edited to add. I am not directing this comment at Allenw, I mean it as a general comment.

The youth would be better off learning economics and proper management of livestock rather than fluff and puff on high dollar no-fits for the farm or ranch. That is the problem - the show ring is not reality and does not help them to learn that.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:45 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
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True Grit Farms wrote:Of course a clean gun shoots better, and a sharp knife cuts better. And a TRIMMED cow doesn't taste better. You can't understand that? Some folks just like fluff, even if it taste like crap.


Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, provides entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

Edited to add. I am not directing this comment at Allenw, I mean it as a general comment.

The youth would be better off learning economics and proper management of livestock rather than fluff and puff on high dollar no-fits for the farm or ranch. That is the problem - the show ring is not reality and does not help them to learn that.


Well said.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:46 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:Since the end of October Jeanne.

Hopefully you just purchased your 2nd ton??? that's a lot of feed for 2 heifers. Figuring 4 months that's over 15# each per day, but if you just purchased 1 ton, then it's more like 7#. I'm assuming they are old enough to be bred? I rarely feed over 6#/hd/day - calves & yearlings.
But, like I said, others do it a lot different that I do. I have easy keeping kind of cattle I guess. And, not to brag, but I am far from the bottom - generally win Supreme over all Breeds at the small shows & Grand Ch at NY State Fair.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:51 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
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True Grit Farms wrote:Of course a clean gun shoots better, and a sharp knife cuts better. And a TRIMMED cow doesn't taste better. You can't understand that? Some folks just like fluff, even if it taste like crap.


Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, provides entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

Edited to add. I am not directing this comment at Allenw, I mean it as a general comment.

The youth would be better off learning economics and proper management of livestock rather than fluff and puff on high dollar no-fits for the farm or ranch. That is the problem - the show ring is not reality and does not help them to learn that.

Ebenezer - you are sooooo wrong. The youth do learn economics and proper management. They have to keep tract of all their expenses, they learn the more they put into training & working with their animal, the better they do in the show ring. All our juniors MUST compete in showmanship. Showmanship is a class where the kids are judged on their ability to show their animal, how well their animal behaves, cleanliness, and proper hair management. I would take a group of 4-H beef kids over any kids involved in sports. No, that is not a true statement. Kids showing their cattle have to learn "sportsmanship" just like the kids involved in sports. Sports are also good for kids.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:57 pm

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Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, provides entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

Edited to add. I am not directing this comment at Allenw, I mean it as a general comment.

The youth would be better off learning economics and proper management of livestock rather than fluff and puff on high dollar no-fits for the farm or ranch. That is the problem - the show ring is not reality and does not help them to learn that.


There is a place for both. Economics, animal husbandry, and other agricultural disciplines are extremely important. That is vital to fostering an educated and capable force of future cattle producers.

That does not preclude a role for show cattle and the pageantry that goes with it. In fact, the show ring is as real as car racing, tractor pulling contests, or any other endeavor that displays a product in a "fluff and puff" fashion. At the end of the day, there is enough importance placed on it by a sufficient number of participants to keep it going.

Edited to add: What Jeanne said above. :cboy:
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Allenw » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:58 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:There is nothing FITTED about this bull. :shock: He is BALD. If he wasn't in good condition, then guess what - IT WOULD SHOW!!!
He would not be shiney & in good BCS.
LOL Some of you are soooo against showing, you make non-sense statements.


I never intended for my comment about the bull calf in the picture to be combined with my other comments in the post, next time I'll make two posts.
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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby wbvs58 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Of course a clean gun shoots better, and a sharp knife cuts better. And a TRIMMED cow doesn't taste better. You can't understand that? Some folks just like fluff, even if it taste like crap.


Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, provides entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

Edited to add. I am not directing this comment at Allenw, I mean it as a general comment.

The youth would be better off learning economics and proper management of livestock rather than fluff and puff on high dollar no-fits for the farm or ranch. That is the problem - the show ring is not reality and does not help them to learn that.


I think that is the typical generalised statement that the anti show lobby likes to spruke "not reality" is like those key words "natural product" that gets thrown in with a lot of arguments with nothing backing it. Just about everyone on here will pass judgement of a photo of an animal and have their own ideas of what is right or wrong with it, I see the show ring as an attempt to represent what can be the most ideal phenotype of an animal, it is not to say that is correct but it represents what is the most ideal form and you need to have that end of the spectrum as a reference point for your goals, just where your cattle sit is entirely up to you but everyone will judge cattle at some time of the year whether buying a bull or some steers to background. I think showing is an important part of the equation.

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Re: How Masculine Should a Yearling Bull Be

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:32 pm

wbvs58 wrote:
Ebenezer wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Showing cattle is a function that is ancillary to the production of cattle. It has many benefits. It involves youngsters in the farming vocation, provides entertainment, and promotes the industry not to mention it is a business.

Many comments I see on the forum that are anti-show make no sense. I am simply agreeing with Jeanne.

Edited to add. I am not directing this comment at Allenw, I mean it as a general comment.

The youth would be better off learning economics and proper management of livestock rather than fluff and puff on high dollar no-fits for the farm or ranch. That is the problem - the show ring is not reality and does not help them to learn that.


I think that is the typical generalised statement that the anti show lobby likes to spruke "not reality" is like those key words "natural product" that gets thrown in with a lot of arguments with nothing backing it. Just about everyone on here will pass judgement of a photo of an animal and have their own ideas of what is right or wrong with it, I see the show ring as an attempt to represent what can be the most ideal phenotype of an animal, it is not to say that is correct but it represents what is the most ideal form and you need to have that end of the spectrum as a reference point for your goals, just where your cattle sit is entirely up to you but everyone will judge cattle at some time of the year whether buying a bull or some steers to background. I think showing is an important part of the equation.

Ken


Ken, I think the following excerpt from your response is at the heart of this discussion. Actually, it is brilliant!

I think that is the typical generalised statement that the anti show lobby likes to spruke "not reality" is like those key words "natural product" that gets thrown in with a lot of arguments with nothing backing it.
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