hooknline wrote:Humans have a better variety of feed to get their minerals from. Cows can get a lot from the grass if it's good grass. But every area is different. When was the last time you heard of a cow in Nevada getting veggies trucked in from Tennessee, Iowa, etc.
Comparing humans to cows is a Poor analogy if you ask me.
Different areas of the country are difficient in different
Intake and vitamins. Cows don't have the luxury of trucked in complete grass unless we do it.
Banjo wrote:Theoretically the minerals increase the microbes in the Rumen, according to mineral salesmen, when the microbes get to a high level then they start dying and become pure protein for the cow.....that is why the dairy farmer's cows went down when he took away the mineral. My brother used to be a district manager for Moorman's Feed years ago and he has told me that same similar story about dairy farmers especially, that would get on their program for awhile and then switch to a cheaper brand and actually the production would go up for a few days(the farmer would think its the new feed making the difference) because all the microbes in the rumen were dying off and providing pure protein to the cow.
My problem with minerals is how can a cow absorb ground limestone, iron oxide which is simply rust off the sides of barges, all these are inorganic minerals that the body can't absorb...man or cow. Our extension agent says one should never buy a mineral that is RED because it is full of iron oxide as a cheap filler. I learned from general nutrition 101 years ago that minerals have to come from plant kingdom for a person to absorb it, is a cow any different? By the way, how many people on this thread take a multi-vitamin/mineral every day? I don't ...maybe I should but I feel like I get it from my food especially if I eat lots of greens and fruits and veggies.
Doesn't a cow eat healthier than any of us do? if she has green grass in front of her and good quality hay that hasn't been rained on three times before its baled. The experts say that when hay loses its green color then all its viamin A is lost
Banjo wrote:Limestone is Organic in the sense that it comes from rock out of the ground. But it is considered and Inorganic form, it comes from rock. Just like rust on a plow share is iron oxide, the iron is oxidized by oxygen which causes rust, but that again is an inorganic form of iron. I've been told before that a Cow can absorb ground limestone, maybe they can, maybe they can't, if they can it is not the best source of calcium. IMO limestone needs to fed to the soil and the plants in turn absorb it then it becomes organic....meaning it comes from something that was alive or living.Did you ever hear a nutritionist say that you get all the calcium you need from greens? Why are cows any different. Too much of something is worse than not enough.
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Thank you TB - I wasn't knowledgeable enough to disagree with the microbes/protein theory - but I sure knew better. My husband was a nutritionist - so that's blah blah I don't memorize.
Banjo wrote:Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Thank you TB - I wasn't knowledgeable enough to disagree with the microbes/protein theory - but I sure knew better. My husband was a nutritionist - so that's blah blah I don't memorize.
You will have to take the microbes/protein theory up with the mineral companies especially Kent Feeds and Morrman's which is ADM now....they promote that idea. Kent actually has a tub which is called the Rumen Booster.
angus9259 wrote:heath wrote:How many cows is that mineral bill for?
I had it calculated at one point - that particular bill I believe was over 30 head. It was right in the window of necessary intake for either the bovatec or IGR for proper application rate.
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