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Re: Implants

Post by Richnm » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:22 am

It will swell the muscles 💪 with glycogen and water.


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Re: Implants

Post by TLM1988 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:23 am

Bigfoot wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:51 am
TLM1988 wrote:
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Anyone ever implanted feeder bulls before they cut em?? I’ve got 11 bulls calves around 375-400 that I’m planning to cut as soon as it dries up or starts freezing. Just wondering if the results are the same
I have made some look staggy before, but not enough that I quit the practice.
Which implant do you prefer?

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Re: Implants

Post by VaCowman » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:27 am

Personally, I think it's easy $$. Unless you are selling into a "natural" type program, I highly recommend it. Quite the ROI. That being said, I do not implant any heifers until after the replacements are picked. Any heifer that doesn't make the initial cut to be in the keeper pen gets implanted immediately. I do not think you increase marbling by implanting, but you will increase weight and red meat! We try to implant the steer calves when they are cut (still on mom) and then once again after they are weaned. I was at a meeting one time and there was a vet speaking on implants. He recommended waiting about 2-3 weeks AFTER weaning to reimplant or for the initial implant if they were not implanted on the cow. His reasons were that during the actual weaning process, calves are stressed and generally worry more with checking fences and missing momma than eating. He said you want these things eating good before you implant them, otherwise during the weaning process, the intake and feed efficiency boost from the implant can sometimes be negated. Makes sense to me.

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Re: Implants

Post by Bigfoot » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:12 am

TLM1988 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:23 am
Bigfoot wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:51 am
TLM1988 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:22 am
Anyone ever implanted feeder bulls before they cut em?? I’ve got 11 bulls calves around 375-400 that I’m planning to cut as soon as it dries up or starts freezing. Just wondering if the results are the same
I have made some look staggy before, but not enough that I quit the practice.
Which implant do you prefer?
Ralgro is all I've ever used. I personally believe they work.
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Re: Implants

Post by Bigfoot » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:14 am

Richnm wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:21 am
Bigfoot wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:50 am
Richnm wrote:
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Double the dose of implants and top dress some grain with Creatine Monohydrate 2 grams per head per day the last 30 days. You will add 100 pounds on just creatine.
You getting it at like a health food store?
Yes, or online. Make sure it’s monohydrate. A kilo is about $30.
I'm gonna try this. Two grams seems so small. I have about 40 weaned calves on feed now. Can you take a second, and walk me through the process. May be as simple as you say, just top dress the feed in the trough with 80 grams spread evenly?
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Re: Implants

Post by TLM1988 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:30 pm

Bigfoot wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:12 am
TLM1988 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:23 am
Bigfoot wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:51 am


I have made some look staggy before, but not enough that I quit the practice.
Which implant do you prefer?
Ralgro is all I've ever used. I personally believe they work.
I’ve implanted steers I’ve purchased and had some I didn’t implant. I can tell a difference in muscle growth. This is my first set of straight bulls and I didn’t know if people waited till they castrated or went ahead and got em going

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Re: Implants

Post by bird dog » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:16 pm

TLM I would implant and castrate at the same time the first time they are in the chute. ASAP in other words.

VACowman I am not sure I agree with the vet completely. I fence line wean my calves in a smallish pen with a feed trough. They will start eating that day and by day three they will clean up one percent of their body weight and want more. Calves wean quicker and easier and lose less weight when they are not hungry.

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Re: Implants

Post by TLM1988 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:20 pm

bird dog wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:16 pm
TLM I would implant and castrate at the same time the first time they are in the chute. ASAP in other words.

VACowman I am not sure I agree with the vet completely. I fence line wean my calves in a smallish pen with a feed trough. They will start eating that day and by day three they will clean up one percent of their body weight and want more. Calves wean quicker and easier and lose
less weight when they are not hungry.









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Re: Implants

Post by gcreekrch » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:18 pm

Ralgro on steer calves and weaned feeder heifers. Not on replacement heifers for several undesirable traits we have experienced. Live vaccines for everyone as we don’t calve year round.
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Re: Implants

Post by fnfarms1 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:55 pm

SynovexC at spring working on steers. SynovexS at fall weaning/working. For the cost, 1lb. of gain pays for the implant. I like the Synoved gun best. Last Ralgro gun I saw didnt have the retractable needle like Synovex. I never implant heifers so I have the option to retain replacements. Always afraid I'd make heifers grow well enough I'd want to keep them for growth, or someone buys them to breed and has huge issues, ruins my reputation for quality stock. My vet warns against implanting heifers. Says they tend to bag up, bull alot, and messes up heat cycles.

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Re: Implants

Post by Named'em Tamed'em » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:05 pm

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My vet is actually all for it. She brought it up to me. I've been a drug free kinda guy but with a lil research I noticed a lot are doing it. I run a high fiber and high protein diet but if I could make a much better marble beef and a fatter healthier cows that would be nice. For example i just butchered a 16 month old holstein bull that dressed 540lbs. Which I thought was pretty good. I have a 6 month old bull calf I bought to breed next season Hereford angus cross that's 660lbs live weight. I could only imagine what he might dress if I put him on it. It could put me above the rest here in Newfoundland too. No one else here is at it according to the vet.
I had two 17 months old PRIORITY steers hang at 1000#, raising on alfalfa only out of my limo moms :
Get over it! It could have been alot worse.

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Re: Implants

Post by SBMF 2015 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:42 am

TLM1988 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:22 am
Anyone ever implanted feeder bulls before they cut em?? I’ve got 11 bulls calves around 375-400 that I’m planning to cut as soon as it dries up or starts freezing. Just wondering if the results are the same
DO NOT IMPLANT BULLS before cutting! It will make their cords brittle. When you go to pull the testicle it will just snap off and bleed everywhere.
We castrate at turn out and use Revlor G on steers. Second round of shots at weaning the steers get Encore. After we pick our replacement heifers the rest of the heifers get Compudose.
Worming and implants always add the potential for more pounds.
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Re: Implants

Post by sstterry » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:32 am

Bigfoot,

How did the Creatine supplementing work out for you?

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