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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by snoopdog » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:30 pm

If you don't have a thermometer, get one immediately.


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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Bright Raven » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:48 pm

I agree with getting temperatures. You can use a drug store anal thermometer. Also, it does not hurt to be proactive on scours (watery diarrhea) especially if it has a fetid odor. Usually caused by Escherichia coli, a universal bacteria. There are several common scours boluses such as sustain. They commonly contain chlorotetracycline which helps them get over bacterial gastrointestinal bacteria such as E coli. You need to get a calf bolus gun. They are plastic and very cheap.
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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:59 pm

Colostrum is a laxative. You may be a little heavy on the colostrum. After 24 hours old, colostrum is NOT beneficial. They no longer can utilize the large protein particles in colostrum (after the 24 hrs old).
Cowgal & Darce gave you some good advice.
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Never heard of cleaning their hooves - but that sounds like very SOUND advice!!
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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Bright Raven » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:03 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:59 pm
Colostrum is a laxative. You may be a little heavy on the colostrum. After 24 hours old, colostrum is NOT beneficial. They no longer can utilize the large protein particles in colostrum (after the 24 hrs old).
Cowgal & Darce gave you some good advice.
BrightRaven is spot on using Inforce 3. All my newborns get Inforce 3, Selenium, AD&E & Iodine naval.
Never heard of cleaning their hooves - but that sounds like very SOUND advice!!
Colostrum is rich. It can definitely contribute to the diarrhea.
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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Buck Randall » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:05 pm

Hereford2 wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:21 pm
They both had Yellow Watery Diarrhea, when I fed them tonight, they both drank a full bottle,. Is there anything I can do for them before morning? I
Keep them hydrated by offering an extra feeding with an electrolyte solution (I recommend Epic, Land O'lakes+add pack, or Bluelite replenish, avoid using Resorb or cheap store brands).

I don't generally recommend antibiotics for calf scours. Most cases of scours are not caused by bacteria, so the antibiotic serves no purpose. In cases of bacterial scours (E. coli, Salmonella) the bacteria are resistant to all of the labeled oral antibiotic treatments anyway, so don't bother with boluses or treatments in the milk. Call your vet for an appropriate injectable treatment.

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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Buck Randall » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:08 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:59 pm
Colostrum is a laxative. You may be a little heavy on the colostrum. After 24 hours old, colostrum is NOT beneficial. They no longer can utilize the large protein particles in colostrum (after the 24 hrs old).
Cowgal & Darce gave you some good advice.
BrightRaven is spot on using Inforce 3. All my newborns get Inforce 3, Selenium, AD&E & Iodine naval.
Never heard of cleaning their hooves - but that sounds like very SOUND advice!!
Colostrum continues to provide local immunity in the GI even after the gut wall closes, so it does have some benefit even in older calves.

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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Hereford2 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:25 pm

I have Bounce Back electrolytes by Manna Pro.
I'm going to give them each 2 quarts of the electrolytes about 9, tonight. I gave them each 1ml of A&D vitamins and 5ml of B vitamin shots, last night, I'm currently out of syringes..
Thank you for all of the advice! I will keep you posted on their condition.

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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Hereford2 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:31 pm

Also I have a mukti species probiotic that I've been putting in their milk that'sfor times of stress. I ordered Sav A Calf, but it won't be here till Thursday..... I have 2 balling guns, but no scour bolus's.

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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:32 pm

Buck Randall wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:08 pm
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:59 pm
Colostrum is a laxative. You may be a little heavy on the colostrum. After 24 hours old, colostrum is NOT beneficial. They no longer can utilize the large protein particles in colostrum (after the 24 hrs old).
Cowgal & Darce gave you some good advice.
BrightRaven is spot on using Inforce 3. All my newborns get Inforce 3, Selenium, AD&E & Iodine naval.
Never heard of cleaning their hooves - but that sounds like very SOUND advice!!
Colostrum continues to provide local immunity in the GI even after the gut wall closes, so it does have some benefit even in older calves.
Never heard that, thanks. Do they get enough nutrition out of it after 24 hrs. if they can't absorb the large proteins (as explained to me)?
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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Hereford2 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:35 pm

They are in a 3 sided shed, with a wooden floor and they have super deep straw in there, of course it's snowing and 24 degrees outside.. They are both bright eyed and alert, I'm just hoping they are hungry enough to drink the electrolytes 4 hours after their last milk feeding.

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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:45 pm

Sounds like a good environment for them. Keep us posted. Thanks.
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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Bright Raven » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:54 pm

Jeanne

Just for a rudimentary review. I know you know this.

Colostrum has 2 primary functions that benefit the calf.

1. A high concentrate of nutrients.
2. A source of antibodies the cow has built up to antigens the cow has been exposed to.

Antibodies are complex blood proteins (immunoglobulins) and even though they may not be absorbed through the membranous intestinal wall after early neonatal life of the calf (generally stated as the first 24 hours), the antibodies still combine with antigens in the digestive system. Thus, providing some level of benefit. Nevertheless, the optimum time for a calf to get the best absorption of immunoglobulins is the first 24 hours.
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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Hereford2 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:34 pm

They both drank their 2 quarts of electrolytes!!😀

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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by Buck Randall » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:51 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:32 pm
Buck Randall wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:08 pm
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:59 pm
Colostrum is a laxative. You may be a little heavy on the colostrum. After 24 hours old, colostrum is NOT beneficial. They no longer can utilize the large protein particles in colostrum (after the 24 hrs old).
Cowgal & Darce gave you some good advice.
BrightRaven is spot on using Inforce 3. All my newborns get Inforce 3, Selenium, AD&E & Iodine naval.
Never heard of cleaning their hooves - but that sounds like very SOUND advice!!
Colostrum continues to provide local immunity in the GI even after the gut wall closes, so it does have some benefit even in older calves.
Never heard that, thanks. Do they get enough nutrition out of it after 24 hrs. if they can't absorb the large proteins (as explained to me)?
The large proteins can't be absorbed whole after 24 hours, but they can still be broken down and absorbed in the digestive process like any other protein. This means that the calf doesn't get long lasting immunity from them anymore, but the nutritional value is still there.

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Re: Sale Barn Bottle Calves HELP

Post by greggy » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:14 pm

I was going to say electrolyte.

I am tubing one twice a day. There is differences in electrolyte too.

I would also err on the side of just feeding milk if your able to see the subtle signs of going off or dehydrating. If acting normal and no dehydration signs I would just observe.

You could also increase milk intake but not use any more powder than reqd. The water is the important part.....if they are drinking enough water as well 9n top of milk, then they may not need electrolyte....

Prob just saying you want to be careful not to over do electrolyte either...you may even upset a calf that is coping ok with loose stool....

I think all of mine have loose stool here or there, it is if ongoing it cases some a drama it seems to me....I have one atm that is loose most of the time and is doing fine....so I let her be.....

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