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Straight from the sale barn

Post by Pointer1160 » Tue May 07, 2019 1:55 am

What vaccines and antibiotics to give four to five month heifers bought at the sale barn. Quite a few folks will give a dose of LA-200 to calves straight out of the sale barn. Is LA 200 really what these calves need? What vaccines do you give? Should be some interesting answers here.



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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by wbvs58 » Tue May 07, 2019 3:19 am

Test for BVD PI's.

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Post by gcreekrch » Tue May 07, 2019 4:30 am

If they were mine they would receive a 7 way with Somnugen and a Bovishield Gold FP5 live vaccine. The feedlot we send cattle to also give Inforce intranasal. Top it off with a Draxxin to keep them alive until the vaccines have time to kick in.

Having said that, we just bought 36 heifers we plan to breed from another operation we have gotten females from before. They had been vaccinated twice before we got them, the last time a month before they went through the sale. We didn't touch them yet but they will be vaccinated when we do our own bunch sometime in the next 2 weeks. They have stayed healthy.

If you don't know any history or they are mixed from several owners, insurance through vaccination is cheap.
Vaccinations, cheaper than whiskey. ;-)

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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by kenny thomas » Tue May 07, 2019 5:26 am

Inforce 3, Presponse, Alpha 7, Cydectin injectable, and yes I do test for BVD PI but most here don't.
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Post by Dave » Tue May 07, 2019 8:04 am

UltraBac 8, Inforce 3, Bovisheil Gold, Imovec plus, and Draxxin. I give LA200 to bigger cattle but smaller ones like a 4 or 5 month old heifer would get the Draxxin.

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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by Pointer1160 » Tue May 07, 2019 9:22 am

The Draxxin is a terrific drug. Would you give it to any age cattle from a sale barn?

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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by gcreekrch » Tue May 07, 2019 10:29 am

Pointer1160 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 9:22 am
The Draxxin is a terrific drug. Would you give it to any age cattle from a sale barn?
Not usually to older cattle but wish I had in a couple instances. Last fall we bought 6 little bred heifers from a group that were advertised as fully vaccinated. We brought them home and turned them in with our own without touching them. Checked 3 days later and things weren't good. 3 of them had pneumonia and two ended up aborting. We have traded enough cattle to know what naïve cattle act like and these sure hadn't seen any vaccinations.

Live and learn. The 4 that are left are sure nice.
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Post by Chocolate Cow2 » Wed May 08, 2019 9:24 am

I wouldn't load them up with too many needles right away. If they have never had any vaccinations, and you probably should treat them as such, the blackleg will override the respiratory making it ineffective. I'd put them in an easily accessable pen with good feed & water and let them settle in. I'd start with a respiratory vaccine first then in a week or so come back with the blackleg. Not saying my way is right but it's how I do it.

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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by kenny thomas » Wed May 08, 2019 11:02 am

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 9:24 am
I wouldn't load them up with too many needles right away. If they have never had any vaccinations, and you probably should treat them as such, the blackleg will override the respiratory making it ineffective. I'd put them in an easily accessable pen with good feed & water and let them settle in. I'd start with a respiratory vaccine first then in a week or so come back with the blackleg. Not saying my way is right but it's how I do it.
Where did you get the info that the blackleg will override the respiratory vaccine? I have never heard that mentioned before.
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Post by Stocker Steve » Wed May 08, 2019 12:37 pm

[quote="kenny thomas" yes I do test for BVD PI but most here don't.
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What have you found?
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Post by kenny thomas » Wed May 08, 2019 1:20 pm

I only recently started and haven't found any. I started because supposedly a calf I raised tested positive in a backgrounding lot. I know of 5 people in my area that test. In 250 market sale calves they might find 1.
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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by gcreekrch » Wed May 08, 2019 2:22 pm

kenny thomas wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 11:02 am
Chocolate Cow2 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 9:24 am
I wouldn't load them up with too many needles right away. If they have never had any vaccinations, and you probably should treat them as such, the blackleg will override the respiratory making it ineffective. I'd put them in an easily accessable pen with good feed & water and let them settle in. I'd start with a respiratory vaccine first then in a week or so come back with the blackleg. Not saying my way is right but it's how I do it.
Where did you get the info that the blackleg will override the respiratory vaccine? I have never heard that mentioned before.
I guess the guys feeding tens of thousands of cattle must all have the wrong protocol. :roll:
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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by Chocolate Cow2 » Wed May 08, 2019 6:00 pm

No they don't have the wrong protocol. They have a different situation. I have more time to let newly arrived calves settle in. I have time to watch them. I don't have anyone on the time clock but myself so I can do things how I want. And I simply stated how I would do it.

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Post by Chocolate Cow2 » Wed May 08, 2019 6:04 pm

Kenny-I will have to do some looking. It was just recently I read that the first time vaccinating calves, blackleg and respiratory should not be given at the same time as the clostridial will over ride the respiratory making it ineffective. This did not apply to an older animal with a known vaccination history.

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Re: Straight from the sale barn

Post by kenny thomas » Wed May 08, 2019 6:06 pm

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:04 pm
Kenny-I will have to do some looking. It was just recently I read that the first time vaccinating calves, blackleg and respiratory should not be given at the same time as the clostridial will over ride the respiratory making it ineffective. This did not apply to an older animal with a known vaccination history.
Thank you, I'm definitely not saying it's wrong but just had not heard of that before. Let us know.
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