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Mineral question...

Post by TNRiver » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:31 pm

I have a question and looking for some insight... I live in TN and use the Supreme Hi-Mag loose mineral from the TN Farmers CO-OP year around. Lately I have been considering switching to VitaFerm to possibly help with conception rates. I have compared the labels and although there is a difference, it does not seem to be a majorly significant difference. I am just wondering if anyone has used both and has an opinion or anyone that is familiar with both, please share your thoughts! Thanks!



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Re: Mineral question...

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:40 pm

I don't know anything about your co-op mineral. But I have used the Vita Ferm for quite a while and think it does what it is supposed to do.

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by bse » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:31 pm

fwiw, I use co op Ultimate year round never Hi mag, some places in TN may need the extra mag, Clarksville area or area with alot of clay dirt. I have no issues with conception.

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by TNRiver » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:32 pm

Anybody see a downside to feeding HiMag year round?

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:13 am

I just don't know why you would.

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by Bright Raven » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:28 am

TNRiver wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:31 pm
I have a question and looking for some insight... I live in TN and use the Supreme Hi-Mag loose mineral from the TN Farmers CO-OP year around. Lately I have been considering switching to VitaFerm to possibly help with conception rates. I have compared the labels and although there is a difference, it does not seem to be a majorly significant difference. I am just wondering if anyone has used both and has an opinion or anyone that is familiar with both, please share your thoughts! Thanks!
I have used VitaFerm for several years. What is more important than mineral content is BIOAVAILABILITY. Analysis is very important but if the chemical compound the mineral comes in is not BIOAVAILABILE, the mineral will be excreted from the cow.

I spent a good portion of my professional career on the Butte, Montana lead smelter cleanup conducting bioavailability studies on lead in soil to support enforcement actions against Atlantic Richfield, Now British Petroleum. BIOAVAILABILITY was the essential factor in determining the extent of that cleanup. The concept is identical. You can put a truck load of mineral through a cow but if it is in a form that cannot be metabolized, all you have is a malnourished cow and high mineral content feces.

VitaFerm is BIOAVAILABILE.
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Re: Mineral question...

Post by rollinhills » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:33 am

TNRiver wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:32 pm
Anybody see a downside to feeding HiMag year round?
My cattle don't seem to use HI-Mag well I've been told it's bitter, I feel it's better for them to have a good mineral they will eat keep in to them all the time and you have no worries. The Vita-Firm is good stuff, I believe if you use it you won't be sorry.

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by rollinhills » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:36 am

I have used VitaFerm for several years. What is more important than mineral content is BIOAVAILABILITY. Analysis is very important but if the chemical compound the mineral comes in is not BIOAVAILABILE, the mineral will be excreted from the cow.

This is the way I understand it and agree 100%

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by TNRiver » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:21 am

How do you determine the Bioavailability of a certain mineral?

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by Bright Raven » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:30 am

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How do you determine the Bioavailability of a certain mineral?
I go to the manufacturer's brochure or website. Check the form the minerals come in on the list of ingredients. Minerals come in different compounds mostly a group of salts- sulfates, phosphates, carbonates, etc. These are easily bioabsorbed.

Another example is proteinates. Copper, manganese and zinc come in proteinates. Proteinates are minerals that have been combined with amino acids. They are said to be chelated. Here is a description:

Animals absorb, digest and use mineral chelates better than inorganic minerals. This means that lower concentrations can be used in animal feeds. In addition, animals fed chelated sources of essential trace minerals excrete lower amounts in their faeces, and so there is less environmental contamination. Mineral chelates also offers health and welfare benefits in animal nutrition.
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Re: Mineral question...

Post by midTN_Brangusman » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:45 am

I have always used the Hi-Mag from March-mid May because we have had issues with grass tetany in the past. I then switch them to foundation with IGR. I looked at the tags, the ultimate has a higher vitamin E content. I may switch to that this time. I am using concept aid on a group of cows this spring to compare conception rates with the ones on the co-op mineral and the same cows preg rate last year. The vitaferm is about double the price, Will let you know how it turns out. If it increases the preg rate by 5-6% like everyone in their testimonials is claiming, it will pay for itself. My local co-op odered the vitaferm mineral for me, I'm sure they can do the same for you.

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by bse » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:54 am

TNRiver wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:32 pm
Anybody see a downside to feeding HiMag year round?

co op guru told me I dont need hi mag if I stay on a good mineral, If you look at the tag, consumption is twice as much on hi mag, even though a few dollars cheaper per bag, alot higher in the long run. at least the way I think

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by Bright Raven » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:57 am

bse wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:54 am
TNRiver wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:32 pm
Anybody see a downside to feeding HiMag year round?

co op guru told me I dont need hi mag if I stay on a good mineral, If you look at the tag, consumption is twice as much on hi mag, even though a few dollars cheaper per bag, alot higher in the long run. at least the way I think
I agree. If you have a good mineral out on a year-around basis, I highly doubt that a period of higher magnesium levels is required.
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Re: Mineral question...

Post by TNRiver » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:59 am

midTN_Brangusman wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:45 am
I have always used the Hi-Mag from March-mid May because we have had issues with grass tetany in the past. I then switch them to foundation with IGR. I looked at the tags, the ultimate has a higher vitamin E content. I may switch to that this time. I am using concept aid on a group of cows this spring to compare conception rates with the ones on the co-op mineral and the same cows preg rate last year. The vitaferm is about double the price, Will let you know how it turns out. If it increases the preg rate by 5-6% like everyone in their testimonials is claiming, it will pay for itself. My local co-op odered the vitaferm mineral for me, I'm sure they can do the same for you.
Yes please keep me updated. Sounds like you're in the situation I was looking for.

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Re: Mineral question...

Post by Bigfoot » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:02 am

I used to get Kandy Mag. my cows would eat it. Local connection shut down, and I haven't fed it since. My cows won't eat the Hi nag choices that are available locally, so rather than get them off mineral, I just don't feed the Hi Mag in the spring. Probably a recipe for disaster, but I'd rather have on a steady intake all year, rather than have them off mineral at calving and rebreeding time.
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