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by **FARMR** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:18 pm

There was the vet and 4 students and I made sure that they all heard. The vet offered me some samples of Meramec, and that is when I told them NO.

by **regolith** » Wed May 16, 2012 3:05 pm

Unless you can persuade one of those students to put it in writing that they heard, you're back to square one.

by **slick4591** » Wed May 16, 2012 3:33 pm

Should be able to find and depose those students.

by **TexasBred** » Wed May 16, 2012 3:59 pm

FARMR wrote:I did quit using ivermectin several years ago when I lost calves 2 years in a row. Why I am pursuing this is I told the vet NOT to use it and he did anyway. I dont think that I am the stupid one here. I am out $20000 dollars due to an unethical and irresponsible vet.

You'll be out twice that much if you pursue this cause you won't win unless the judge and the jury is made up of guys that flunked out of vet school. Change vets, change meds, use a different wormer, work cattle at a different time of the year and move on.

by **M.Magis** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:03 pm

FARMR wrote:There was the vet and 4 students and I made sure that they all heard. The vet offered me some samples of Meramec, and that is when I told them NO.

I don’t think that matters. I’m pretty sure that unless you can prove that the medications you told them not to use actually caused you problems, you will lose. And you will never be able to prove that.

by **john250** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:18 pm

TexasBred wrote:
FARMR wrote:I did quit using ivermectin several years ago when I lost calves 2 years in a row. Why I am pursuing this is I told the vet NOT to use it and he did anyway. I dont think that I am the stupid one here. I am out $20000 dollars due to an unethical and irresponsible vet.

You'll be out twice that much if you pursue this cause you won't win unless the judge and the jury is made up of guys that flunked out of vet school. Change vets, change meds, use a different wormer, work cattle at a different time of the year and move on.

TB and I agree. Lawsuits, I've seen a few. Nobody wins except the lawyers. Better to look at the entire regimen around these losses. Stress? Combination of meds? Clumsiness? Those are tough losses, but don't expect to get any of it back from the court. The justice system is NOT an answer in any county in the US I am aware.

by **milkmaid** » Wed May 16, 2012 10:50 pm

Did you have the calves necropsied? Could be anything from grubs to pneumonia as a cause of death. Unless there's a necropsy report, for all anyone else knows the calves stood under a metal building during a lightening storm and died that way. Correlation does not necessarily equal causation.

On a side note, why on earth go after the vet students??? unless they were 4th year students it was likely a "field trip." And, if field trips there are anything like field trips at WSU, chances are they were simply doing what the guy in charge told them to do and haven't enough livestock experience of their own to even know the difference between one vaccine and another yet.

by **Kathie in Thorp** » Wed May 16, 2012 11:00 pm

FARMR -- You've probably had to file a witness list w/ the court for this case -- who are your witnesses? Vet? Students? Drug reps? Others with similar experience to yours? Who? Besides you? And the currently unknown expert? WHO is on your side?

by **greatgerts** » Thu May 17, 2012 7:12 am

FARMR,
Did you have a post done on any of these calves that you have lost? If you lost your calves for 2 years in a row, I would have been definitely have had posts done more than one of those years (actually would after the second calf).

My personal thoughts are this would be thrown out because you do not have PROOF that the wormer is what caused the death, unless you did have a post done on them to show what caused all of these animals to die.