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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby farmerjan » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:07 am

We're farmers, plain and simple. It is not the way we make our living full-time, because we both work off the farm jobs and have from day one because we did not have a family farm to take over or buy into; nor did we have a ton of money to buy one to start off with. 90% of the land we farm is rented, or "given" to us to farm - mostly hay making- so someone else gets the tax advantages of the farming part. I do not try to put anyone down because they are part-time, or a hobby farmer. I have found over the years that I have been the subject of some talk due to the "hobby farming" ideas that I have had, but I just say okay, listen to others and then apply what I think might work and if it doesn't ...drop it.

I (we) started out small, some bottle calves, some not very good cattle, and have worked hard from there. Not always making the right decisions, but trying...... always wanted my own small dairy, but in the atmosphere of things dairy today, it will never happen now. So I balance my dairy cows with being nurse cows, and we concentrate on the beef more. I still find nothing wrong with the hobby farmer title EXCEPT for the ones that seem to know everything after having a few cows for a few years and being successful, so they have all the answers to all the problems. Still, the hobby farmers are the ones that will keep alive some of the rarer breeds because they don't have to or even want to make money on them. So they have their place. They like to delve into things that are more obscure sometimes. Some are just big talking blowhards, but there just might be one little thing that they do that you can learn from.... or learn what not to do.

I would say from the year I have been on here, thanks to greybeard, that I have learned alot and have hopefully been able to contribute a little something. We are part-time at this point. Our cows are paying for themselves pretty much, the land rents, the inputs, the payment on the 75 acres, most of the machinery payments....but they don't pay us a wage by any stretch of the imagination. We are big compared to many, but I don't think that makes us better. It wasn't too long ago that I had 15 or 20 cows and was struggling to pay the bills they incurred. Now we have alot more and still struggle to pay the bills they occur.

We go to many seminars, pasture walks, meetings of any type that we can fit into our schedules.....trying to learn something from someone else's experiences. Sometimes don't learn much but might meet someone that will lead to a sale or source of a bull or something.

I don't try to ever put down someone who has fewer, or a smaller place than we do. Some of them are better managers than we are. Since we work full-time jobs, I can fully relate to anyone who gets off a 40-50-60 hour week to farm. How many times have we been trying to get the last of the hay baled after a 8-10 hour day, and it is getting dark, but they are calling for rain tomorrow? How many times have I gone to a pasture to get cows called into the catch pen on my way home from testing a dairy at 7-8 pm so that my son can come with the trailer to get them moved to the RENTED "home farm" so that I can do pregnancy checks the next day, while I am off and he is at work. How many times have we gotten cattle in a couple of evenings, to sort and look them over so that we can get up at 3 or 4 a m, to sort and then load them and I will haul them to town while he goes to work, and then I will come home to do other chores and go test cows and when he gets off at 4 to go cut hay or feed or do whatever, while I am at work. Or I will go to work at 3 am and get home at 9 or 10 a m to then get on the tractor and rake hay that he cut a couple of evenings ago.

I think Walnut Crest defined the differences very well; hobby, part-time and full-time. Size doesn't make the distinction, the financial differences are more the way to define what TYPE farmer you are. If you don't do any crop/hay making, and only have cattle, does that make you less a farmer? If someone does all the "physical work", and you are the "money" behind the operation, does that make you less a farmer? I don't think we are less a farmer than anyone else, just because we are part-time due to off farm jobs even though we are alot bigger than some on here. We also farm in a different environment than the members in say Texas or other areas where it is acres per cow rather than cows per acre.
We don't use horses, and we try to do as much rotational type grazing, so try to be more "grass farmers" , does that not make us "real farmers"???? We have a bunch of equipment, make alot of hay off not so great ground, does that make us less a real farmer?????

I know that I tend to "write books" when I respond, but I try really hard to not come across as a know-it-all. But I do try to really explain what I mean when I post something so that someone can understand me. I don't always manage to say exactly what I mean easily, so get a bit carried away, but i sure try to never put myself across as being the end all answer to anything. But I also try to not judge anyone else....I have been the "POOR MAN" route, and am now blessed (maybe cursed) to have more than we used to....
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby jedstivers » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:09 am

Cross-7 wrote:I personally don't find the term hobby farmer as degrading. Maybe the farmer part but truth is I do most everything on foot now days and spend my days trying to manage and grow grass so yeah I'm a grass farmer.
I make my living working a job and cattle are a hobby for me, so the term fits.

I think some people like to brag about how big a place they have or how many cows. Some use it as a measuring stick to size you up.
I've known lots of people that were quite wealthy and kept a few cows as a hobby and could afford a big place and lots of cows if they chose.
The size of your place or the number of cows you have doesn't represent your success in life.

That's my whole point. There is nothing degrading about it or being one.
What is degrading is when someone uses the term to make light of someone in the context they use it.
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby jedstivers » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:10 am

callmefence wrote:About the same here. Got me some tractors and plows ,a grain still..... still I'm no dam sodbuster :D

Yeah, next thing you'll have a bunch of sheep too. :lol2:
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby Nesikep » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:18 am

I've only been on horseback once or twice in my life!... But I do ride bulls :P

I think there's a bit of a difference between hobby farmers and perhaps "weekenders" or "gentleman farmers".. those that have other people do all the work, they just want some cows for yard art or an excuse to wear boots and hats and have a $90K dually truck towing a $50K trailer
To me, hobby farmer as it's used around here would be someone who does chores in the morning, goes to work to make money, and then comes home to do more chores, and they do it for the love of it, and there ain't no shame in that.
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby callmefence » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:38 am

Maybe we could all meet in the middle.
"Semi pro farm and ranch enthusiast."
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby callmefence » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:08 pm

jedstivers wrote:
callmefence wrote:About the same here. Got me some tractors and plows ,a grain still..... still I'm no dam sodbuster :D

Yeah, next thing you'll have a bunch of sheep too. :lol2:


:lol2: your right. I gotta be careful Could end up with a bunch of bees or something.. :D
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby TexasBred » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:31 pm

callmefence wrote:Maybe we could all meet in the middle.
"Semi pro farm and ranch enthusiast."

Or at least subscribe to one farming magazine "Progressive Farmer" maybe and one cattle magazine. Won't help the operation but you can always say "I read one time....................". :lol2: :lol2:
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby Workinonit Farm » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:37 pm

callmefence wrote:
jedstivers wrote:
callmefence wrote:About the same here. Got me some tractors and plows ,a grain still..... still I'm no dam sodbuster :D

Yeah, next thing you'll have a bunch of sheep too. :lol2:


:lol2: your right. I gotta be careful Could end up with a bunch of bees or something.. :D


:lol2: :lol2:
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby sim.-ang.king » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:55 pm

TexasBred wrote:
callmefence wrote:Maybe we could all meet in the middle.
"Semi pro farm and ranch enthusiast."

Or at least subscribe to one farming magazine "Progressive Farmer" maybe and one cattle magazine. Won't help the operation but you can always say "I read one time....................". :lol2: :lol2:

Just don't subscribe to modern farmer. You'll be a true hobby farmer then.
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby kenny thomas » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:58 pm

TexasBred wrote:
callmefence wrote:Maybe we could all meet in the middle.
"Semi pro farm and ranch enthusiast."

Or at least subscribe to one farming magazine "Progressive Farmer" maybe and one cattle magazine. Won't help the operation but you can always say "I read one time....................". :lol2: :lol2:

There was an article about me in Progressive Farmer a few years back, does that make me big time?
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby greybeard » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:25 pm

kenny thomas wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
callmefence wrote:Maybe we could all meet in the middle.
"Semi pro farm and ranch enthusiast."

Or at least subscribe to one farming magazine "Progressive Farmer" maybe and one cattle magazine. Won't help the operation but you can always say "I read one time....................". :lol2: :lol2:

There was an article about me in Progressive Farmer a few years back, does that make me big time?

Dunno...Did they refer to you as 'Kenny the hobby farmer'?
Or did the bold print at the top say "He's Livin It!
If it was the latter, then you really somebody-- :nod:
The King Bee.. so to speak.
:lol: :lol: :lol2:
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby kenny thomas » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:29 pm

I was just doing what we do, nothing special. It was about 2 of us combining our efforts to AI a bunch of heifers. Bull got more of them bred than I did. Lol
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby Dave » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:38 pm

kenny thomas wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
callmefence wrote:Maybe we could all meet in the middle.
"Semi pro farm and ranch enthusiast."

Or at least subscribe to one farming magazine "Progressive Farmer" maybe and one cattle magazine. Won't help the operation but you can always say "I read one time....................". :lol2: :lol2:

There was an article about me in Progressive Farmer a few years back, does that make me big time?


You were in Progressive Farmer! Can I get you autograph?
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Re: Well I hope all you other hobby

Postby kenny thomas » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:49 pm

Also Angus Journal but not a lot to brag about.
Don't always have to be a big time rancher, sometimes a hobby farmer does some things worth being noticed. December 2008 if anyone cares :pop:
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Postby Dave » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:05 pm

kenny thomas wrote:Also Angus Journal but not a lot to brag about.
Don't always have to be a big time rancher, sometimes a hobby farmer does some things worth being noticed. :pop:


I still want your autograph. Please put it on a check. Just the autograph, I will fill out the rest.
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