Human Clone

[chrisy]

How come none of my questions have been answered posted on 4th nov.??????

[Jalopy]

While I am not a great philosopher, I am enjoying this discussion.
Chrissy as for your question is cloning not immaculate conception? I would offer the opinion that no it is not due too the definition of the two words. 1.-Immaculate- meaning pure and/or unblemished. It could be pure science or pure fiction but it is not in my mind pure in a spiritual way. 2.- Conception, cloning is not conception in a biological manner nor do I think in a spiritual manner.
Granted these are my opinions and I reserve the right to change my opinion but as of now this is the reasoning for my opinions.

[larryshoat]

All this implies that man has invented something that God could not have forseen. There has only be one immaculate conception , there will only ever be one immaculate conception.

Larry

[larryshoat]

While I am not a great philosopher, I am enjoying this discussion.
Chrissy as for your question is cloning not immaculate conception? I would offer the opinion that no it is not due too the definition of the two words. 1.-Immaculate- meaning pure and/or unblemished. It could be pure science or pure fiction but it is not in my mind pure in a spiritual way. 2.- Conception, cloning is not conception in a biological manner nor do I think in a spiritual manner.
Granted these are my opinions and I reserve the right to change my opinion but as of now this is the reasoning for my opinions.

Good post JLP .

Larry

[HerefordSire]

All this implies that man has invented something that God could not have forseen. There has only be one immaculate conception , there will only ever be one immaculate conception.

Larry

That is not true Larry if you believe in Adam (or whomever was the first ensouled human). Adam was an immaculate conception if he existed. There is a possibility that Eve was also an immaculate conception if she existed.

[HerefordSire]

If a clone is not an immaculate conception, then what is it? as it has not come from either an egg or a sperm.
Has it a Mother or Father, Brother, Sister, Aunt, Uncle etc...Who are they? Earth Alien? lots of questions to be answered. and can they?

Very good questions chrisy!

I believe a clone did come from an egg and sperm, indirectly from the source genetic material, and this is the difference you are looking for. Therefore, the parent and sibling bondings for the clone would be the same as the source.

[alacattleman]

All this implies that man has invented something that God could not have forseen. There has only be one immaculate conception , there will only ever be one immaculate conception.

Larry

That is not true Larry if you believe in Adam (or whomever was the first ensouled human). Adam was an immaculate conception if he existed. There is a possibility that Eve was also an immaculate conception if she existed.

sounds like clone souls should be the least of your worries

[HerefordSire]

All this implies that man has invented something that God could not have forseen. There has only be one immaculate conception , there will only ever be one immaculate conception.

Larry

That is not true Larry if you believe in Adam (or whomever was the first ensouled human). Adam was an immaculate conception if he existed. There is a possibility that Eve was also an immaculate conception if she existed.

sounds like clone souls should be the least of your worries

It is important to understand that the bible coorelations of Adam and Jesus are very similar. Jesus has been known to be referred to as the new Adam. It is the main difference in the new and old testaments. The exception would be, Jesus corrects Adam's fall, which is why sin can now be forgiven.

[alacattleman]

[i]It is important to understand that the bible coorelations of Adam and Jesus are very similar. Jesus has been known to be referred to as the new Adam. It is the main difference in the new and old testaments. The exception would be, Jesus corrects Adam's fall, which is why sin can now be forgiven.[/i][/quote]...... its also important to believe they existed. ''ground zero'' a agnostic is harder too reason with than a athiest,,a athiest atleast believes something

[angie]

...... its also important to believe they existed. ''ground zero'' a agnostic is harder too reason with than a athiest,,a athiest atleast believes something

It is not the basis of Christianity to believe in Adam and Eve. Many do not (myself included) ~ it is not an automatic disqualification (for lack of a better word/s).

[TexasBred]

Was Eve a clone? Did she have a spirit?

No sperm/egg action there.

Excellent point. Another immaculate conception like Jesus. That is different than a clone since a clone is not an immaculate conception.

Jesus was not the immaculate conception. Mary's conception was the immaculate conception.

[alacattleman]

...... its also important to believe they existed. ''ground zero'' a agnostic is harder too reason with than a athiest,,a athiest atleast believes something

It is not the basis of Christianity to believe in Adam and Eve. Many do not (myself included) ~ it is not an automatic disqualification (for lack of a better word/s).

well why do we have too worry about sin are even forgiveness from it if Adam didnt exsist so he couldnt fall,, then JESUS life was all in vain...

[TexasBred]

All this implies that man has invented something that God could not have forseen. There has only be one immaculate conception , there will only ever be one immaculate conception.

Larry

That is not true Larry if you believe in Adam (or whomever was the first ensouled human). Adam was an immaculate conception if he existed. There is a possibility that Eve was also an immaculate conception if she existed.

HS...Adam was no conception at all. He was a "creation" and God breathed life into him. Jesus on the other hand was "begotten, not made".

[HerefordSire]

All this implies that man has invented something that God could not have forseen. There has only be one immaculate conception , there will only ever be one immaculate conception.

Larry

That is not true Larry if you believe in Adam (or whomever was the first ensouled human). Adam was an immaculate conception if he existed. There is a possibility that Eve was also an immaculate conception if she existed.

HS...Adam was no conception at all. He was a "creation" and God breathed life into him. Jesus on the other hand was "begotten, not made".

Both were conceived without sex and were not believed to be clones, hence, immaculate conceptions. Mary was a virgin. Eve wasn't a clone because she was of the opposite sex.


I see what you mean TB since One was carried in a womb and the Other was not. I am thinking....

[HerefordSire]

Conception was a bad word to use....


Both were immaculate and perfect (without sin) initially, but both were not carried in the womb. Conception is an idea (or truth) in addition to life conception, so I could still be correct in saying both were the result of an immaculate conception.