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Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:18 pm
by Baldie Maker
Won an 86' ABS sire directory online and these were just two interesting bulls that I found in there; I know they are both defect carriers or sources. I thought I would post these pictures of the pages more for the historical value than to start a breed bashing/purity argument; but by posting them I may be stirring the pot.
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage43.jpg
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage42.jpg

titan daughters
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage44.jpg

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:58 pm
by alexfarms
Baldie Maker wrote:Won an 86' ABS sire directory online and these were just two interesting bulls that I found in there; I know they are both defect carriers or sources. I thought I would post these pictures of the pages more for the historical value than to start a breed bashing/purity argument; but by posting them I may be stirring the pot.
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage43.jpg
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage42.jpg

titan daughters
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage44.jpg



Ah, yes, the good old days. Was Mr Angus produced in Canada?

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:02 am
by Hereford76
Is there a listing for Hereford bull Britisher wetmore aga 50y?

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:51 pm
by Herefords.US
Baldie Maker wrote:Won an 86' ABS sire directory online and these were just two interesting bulls that I found in there; I know they are both defect carriers or sources. I thought I would post these pictures of the pages more for the historical value than to start a breed bashing/purity argument; but by posting them I may be stirring the pot.
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage43.jpg
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage42.jpg

titan daughters
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage44.jpg


Stirring the pot.... :hide: :hide: :hide:

I've got 10 straws of 7777 semen in storage at Champion Genetics. I never plan on using it, but I have, several times, made the public offer that I'd be glad to donate it to any grad student (or university) who would do the genetic testing on it to determine what breed...or BREEDS(and what percentage)...were involved in the genetic makeup of 7777. I understand that there has been enough research and genetic testing done now that it would be possible to make that kind of determination.

But no takers thus far! :banana: :banana: :banana:

George

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:22 pm
by u4411clb
Ahh Chianina the foundation of several of our base breeds in the U.S. and Canada. Funny the breed didn't take off more seeing as some breeders seemed to slip it in to the gene pool in the 80's. Don't put to much and other than size and muscling you almost can't tell its there.

P.S. I have no proof whatso ever. Just bred Chianina for a long time and have a keen eye for the influence and both of those animals to my eye seem to have some Chi influence.

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:14 pm
by greybeard
Put on the popcorn, this should be good.......

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:53 pm
by Baldie Maker
H76 I see no such listing, lots of cattle with GK genetic explosion or wsf prl justa banner in this directory though. After looking through this directory several times I've got to say that atleast for the cattle in it anyways the Herefords/polled Herefords are by far the least extreme on frame.
Page with traveler 23-4
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... mage45.jpg

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:55 pm
by Herefords.US
u4411clb wrote:Ahh Chianina the foundation of several of our base breeds in the U.S. and Canada. Funny the breed didn't take off more seeing as some breeders seemed to slip it in to the gene pool in the 80's. Don't put to much and other than size and muscling you almost can't tell its there.

P.S. I have no proof whatso ever. Just bred Chianina for a long time and have a keen eye for the influence and both of those animals to my eye seem to have some Chi influence.


This is 7777's sire of record, Titan 23D.

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Looking at him, it's not Chi breed characteristics that I see. but a healthy dose of "old-timey" Simmental, before they were mostly turned black. Anyone agree with me?

George

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:27 pm
by Aaron
Herefords.US wrote:
u4411clb wrote:Ahh Chianina the foundation of several of our base breeds in the U.S. and Canada. Funny the breed didn't take off more seeing as some breeders seemed to slip it in to the gene pool in the 80's. Don't put to much and other than size and muscling you almost can't tell its there.

P.S. I have no proof whatso ever. Just bred Chianina for a long time and have a keen eye for the influence and both of those animals to my eye seem to have some Chi influence.


This is 7777's sire of record, Titan 23D.

Image

Looking at him, it's not Chi breed characteristics that I see. but a healthy dose of "old-timey" Simmental, before they were mostly turned black. Anyone agree with me?

George


He was referring to the Angus bulls, particularly Ponderosa - not Titan.

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:58 pm
by KMacGinley
I think you are right George...

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:24 am
by alexfarms
Yes, I agree, George.

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:06 pm
by jedague
Saskalta Farms is a Canadian breeder of Angus and Chianina cattle. They were breeding Chianina cattle in the 1970s. Saskalta Farms is the breeder of Blackbird Ole Saskalta 3, who is owned by Ken Caryl Cattle Company and is the grand-dam of Ken Caryl Mr Angus 8017. She is also an Angus cow registered with the American Chianina Association, possibly indicating that someone had plans to breed her to a Chianina bull. The American Chianina Association records show that Blackbird Ole Saskalta 3 had one progeny reported to ACA, that calf is Blackbird of Ken Caryl 2744 (Mr Angus' dam). If 2744 is a percentage Chianina, it would explain why she was reported to ACA and why her dam is registered with ACA. It would also explain why Ken Caryl Mr Angus 8017 has a Chianina phenotype, and how he was able to introduce Developmental Duplication into a breed that had no prior history of DD.

Looking at 4S Ponderosa, his sire is Pine Drive Big Sky. Big Sky was a very popular bull, with 22,404 progeny wean weights recorded. Big Sky's dam, Benlock Blackcap 108K, is another cow with dual registry, registered both with the American Angus Association and with the American Chianina Association. ACA records indicate that Benlock Blackcap 108K had 5 progeny, the first calf being Pine Drive Big Sky. Universal Semen Sales has a picture of Pine Drive Big Sky on their website, he is another example of an extremely long, extremely tall (phenotypically Chianina) Angus bull. Pine Drive Big Sky can be found in the pedigree of many very popular Angus bulls.

These two bulls, as well as other bulls like them, had a significant and lasting influence on American cattle. Their Continental influence added growth and lean muscle to more than one over fat British breed of cattle in North America.

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:11 pm
by pdfangus
YOU neglected that both bulls were very popular show bulls and their progeny were very popular in the show ring as well. I am old enough to remember both bulls very well and they were all the rage back in the day...

but I am left wondering what the point of your post is...

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:04 pm
by ALACOWMAN
lotta air,between the gut and ground...

Re: Ken Caryl Mr Angus & S Titan 7777

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:11 pm
by pdfangus
Pine Drive Bin Sky was actually a pretty deep bodied bull. But they were selecting for size back then and so yes he was tall. I never actually saw Mr. Angus but have had my hands on his biggest competitor..P S Power Play....he was an awesome bull