Wagyu...

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Re: Wagyu...

Post by WestTNguy » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:02 pm

https://extension.tennessee.edu/publica ... s/W656.pdf

That is a good article from the University of Tennessee regarding beef exports from the US to Japan. No mention of Wagyu, but interesting nonetheless.


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Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:27 pm

Jan - you are an angel. I don't have the patience to answer so completely.
I might say something like 'gotta like what you're looking at" or "you're going to get killed at the salebarn" - or - "we advised you NOT to try cow/calf right away!!!" LOL
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Post by NonTypicalCPA » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:30 pm

I’m crossing my beltie cows with a Wagyu bull. But I went in with a buddy to buy our bull so it offset our investment. I expect to have awesome freezer beef. Get on the Wagyu Facebook page. Lots of great info there. Here are a few of my first calves. They’re growing faster than my pure blood belties.


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Post by Stickney94 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:23 pm

From experience raising Wagyu/Angus crosses:

1. You need to have a market. The local sale barn IS NOT a viable market.
2. You will need large numbers to draw the attention of something like Imperial Wagyu.
3. If you sell to private customers be careful they are ready for such heavily marbled beef. I have customers that absolutely LOVE it. But I've had more that have asked to move back to full blood angus (which is still very well marbled).
4. Get ready to learn how to dehorn. Not for the faint of heart.
5. My angus cattle are very calm. The Wagyu seems to breed in some "flightiness".
6. As others have said -- some of these F1 crosses aren't exactly the most attractive animals. See #1 above.
7. If you live in a state where private sales to restaurants isn't layered in govt regulations that may be a profitable route. But I don't live in one of those states.

In all honesty, we are moving to breeding and selling just a handful of Wagyu crosses ("Wangus"? "Angyu"?). Although I think the Wagyu cross is worth it, most of our customers are happy with the angus beef we sell.

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Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:38 pm

Stickney - excellent post.
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Post by farmerjan » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:34 pm

Jeanne Thank you for the compliment. I guess that I just talk more than most, but I also spend a fair amount of time trying to explain to people who have little or no "cow interaction" some of the things about the dairy industry and then it gets transitioned over to beef too. If someone really seems interested I will try to spell it out to them so they really do get a grasp of it. And I think that WestTNguy really wants to learn and understand. You know as well as I do how many "one shot questions" we get where the poster never comes back.... the one and done kinds. Sometimes I really don't want to take the time but then I remember when I would ask questions and really appreciated someone taking time to explain to me. What I know about showing cattle could fit on the head of a pin...... but I like to look at some of them; and know that there is a ton of time and effort put into the "behind the scenes" of it.

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Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:48 pm

Yes, many of us can answer BEEF questions, but you have that extra knowledge of beef/dairy/sale barns that really boosts the information people can get on here.
I have made MANY mistakes over the nearly 50 years of breeding cattle, and if I can help just one more person NOT make my mistakes, I gladly take the time to help out.
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Post by Bestoutwest » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:15 pm

I think a lot of the folks have answered a lot of what's wrong with niche breeds, but I'd like to add a couple of things I have learned along the way. Pure greenhorn when we started, now probably a duller greenhorn. We started with longhorns b/c they were cheaper, pretty and we were told you could sell the offspring for breeding stock, hides, skulls and people would pay more b/c of the "heart healthy" aspects of LH beef (from one study once that everyone quotes on their LH website).

1) Know your market. I live in a poorer county. My customers don't care what kind of beef it is, as long as it tastes good and has value. I have worked slowly to increase my customer base, and most of the folks I've sold to want to buy again. That being said, they're willing to pay the $3/lb hanging weight I charge. They're not looking to pay the $8-10/lb hanging weight "you can get with Waygu."
2) Just because someone on their website says it can be done, doesn't mean it can be done by you. How long have they been doing it? How profitable are they? How hard do they work at it? How much do they travel to accomplish their goal? Are you willing to copy all of that? CAN you copy all of that? Will you have the same success even if you do everything they did?
3) Restaurants usually mark food up 2/3. So, a $105 steak costs them about $35. Big difference for the guy selling the steak to the restaurant.
4) If you want to sell the cuts yourself you'll have to have it slaughtered at a USDA facility (do you have one of those nearby), probably a license, a way to transport them and keep them cool, refrigerators and a system to constantly check temps with the ability to prove it. We looked into it and while it pays a decent chunk, it's a lot of work for my wife and I with two full time jobs on top of things.
5) We've looked into selling to restaurants. They want all of your stock, and a lot of them. You have to be prepared to bring the beef to the table. Nothing worse than saying "I can do that" and underwhelm.
6) With niche breeds there's less breeding stock overall. So you're traveling to get stock. Paying more to ship semen/embryos. With my Angus I've got several bigger breeders within 20 minutes of the house. Plus, I can AI through ABS and Universal very easily.
7) This is the biggest one for me: Slower growing cattle require more feed. I slaughtered a full LH at 32 months that weighed the same as a 3/4 Angus x 1/4 LH at 17 months. I've got a 8 month Angus bull that is bigger than my last LH on the place, and she's 12 months older.

I'm not saying don't do it. I'm saying be careful before you jump in thinking you'll become rich. It takes location, timing and luck. Good luck!
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Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:54 am

Bestoutwest - that was a well thought out response. Excellent!!! Everyone wants to do something "different". Can be very costly.
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Re: Wagyu...

Post by greggy » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:36 am

I know little about cattle really.

But i remember some guy waffling on to me about Wagu down here in Australia about 5 years ago, story went on about how much the meat was worth, and each animal etc, in the next breath the cattle owner was going to give a decent calf for next to nothing...we were in no drought back then :)

Angus and some others were the market then, and if I go to sales tomorrow, will be the same, Wagu ? Your wagging my tail, never seen one in last 10 sales I been too, and there were some real mongrels in some sales...lol.

Gina with many thousands of Wagu ? Maybe, but she has the muscle to put them into Tokyo harbour...

Good luck changing older Cockies down here, or, even the younger gen, they wont bet the farm on such things.

I had to lol, Jersey meat is prob better, and the markets are finicky about that meat, is prob true, and Jersey x Angus are more viable, but see what happens when you try and sell it too everyone.

So, unless some smarty comes up with a real good marketing angle and talks Mc Dons etc into taking it up, it wont happen in my lifetime, and, I know nothing about cattle really.

Now, maybe your the Warren Buffet of the cattle business, do you have the bank account ?

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Re: Wagyu...

Post by 5S Cattle » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:27 pm

I know a guy that’s selling 22 Wagyu in Brenham Texas. 11 cows, 6 steers, and 5 heifers if anyone’s interested

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Post by SoILcattle » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:21 pm

5S Cattle wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:27 pm
I know a guy that’s selling 22 Wagyu in Brenham Texas. 11 cows, 6 steers, and 5 heifers if anyone’s interested
I may be, sent you a pm

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Re: Wagyu...

Post by 5S Cattle » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:51 pm

SoILcattle wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:21 pm
5S Cattle wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:27 pm
I know a guy that’s selling 22 Wagyu in Brenham Texas. 11 cows, 6 steers, and 5 heifers if anyone’s interested
I may be, sent you a pm
Never received a pm.

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Post by SoILcattle » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:44 pm

I sent another one if you didn't get it , you can send his info to rsullivan0189@gmail.com.

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Post by gizmom » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:48 pm

We just received the final report on the Florida Bull Test. I found it interesting that a Wagyu bull was the 2nd highest indexing bull on test. I just would not have thought they had that much grow in them. I don't know if its online yet but should be up in the next day or so. Consignor on the Wagyu was listed as Larry and Kurt Enfinger, so congrats to them.

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