What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:38 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:36 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
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Silver wrote:
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That's hopeful thinking. And baseless bragging. Stockyards are where all animals end up, even the very best. You really need to take a trip north, you would return home a very humble individual. Would't that be a breath of fresh air.
Humble?

Try the stockyards here in my hometown if you want to be humbled.

I doubt a top sire from ABS or ORIgen would bring more than $1800

How is that for humbling?
Might be a reason - it might be their worth. The king did not know that he had no clothes until he was told. It is common in situations with egos and buddy/buddy is involved.
How much do your bulls average Ebenezer?


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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by ALACOWMAN » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:54 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
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Caustic Burno wrote:
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Bcompton53 wrote:
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This was my understanding also. The best advantage can be obtained crossing british breed with continentals. But these are pretty generic statements. Probably depends some on the individual bloodlines/traits.

Absolutely the worst cross for hybrid vigor is SH/Angus the most was Hereford/Brahman cross. Lots of old research data out of MSU,UFla and TAMU on the different crosses. Dr. David Riley has a series on improving herd genetics and maximizing hybrid vigor through cross breeding.
There is a lot of good info in here.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.resear ... _Riley/amp
Really? This points to a different picture.

https://shorthornbeef.com.au/shorthorn- ... ectacular/
It does point in a different direction, don't it..right on a shorthorn beef web site..it's a poor frog, that won't praise his own pond..
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Brookhill Angus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:09 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:38 pm
Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:36 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:30 pm


Humble?

Try the stockyards here in my hometown if you want to be humbled.

I doubt a top sire from ABS or ORIgen would bring more than $1800

How is that for humbling?
Might be a reason - it might be their worth. The king did not know that he had no clothes until he was told. It is common in situations with egos and buddy/buddy is involved.
How much do your bulls average Ebenezer?
Now that’s an interesting question!
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Brookhill Angus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:12 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:36 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:30 pm
Silver wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:37 pm


That's hopeful thinking. And baseless bragging. Stockyards are where all animals end up, even the very best. You really need to take a trip north, you would return home a very humble individual. Would't that be a breath of fresh air.
Humble?

Try the stockyards here in my hometown if you want to be humbled.

I doubt a top sire from ABS or ORIgen would bring more than $1800

How is that for humbling?
Might be a reason - it might be their worth. The king did not know that he had no clothes until he was told. It is common in situations with egos and buddy/buddy is involved.
I seriously doubt anyone in their right mind would bring their cattle from Iowa or Nebraska and sell them at the Flemingsburg Stockyards, LOL!

It would be like selling a Rolls Royce on a “pay by the week” used car lot.

Probably wouldn’t achieve much premium on that plan.
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Bright Raven » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:20 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:12 pm
Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:36 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:30 pm


Humble?

Try the stockyards here in my hometown if you want to be humbled.

I doubt a top sire from ABS or ORIgen would bring more than $1800

How is that for humbling?
Might be a reason - it might be their worth. The king did not know that he had no clothes until he was told. It is common in situations with egos and buddy/buddy is involved.
I seriously doubt anyone in their right mind would bring their cattle from Iowa or Nebraska and sell them at the Flemingsburg Stockyards, LOL!

It would be like selling a Rolls Royce on a “pay by the week” used car lot.

Probably wouldn’t achieve much premium on that plan.
Brook is correct. I don't keep up with feeder prices but Flemingsburg did rank near the bottom of Kentucky Stockyards in average prices paid. Everyone I know except a couple who patronize Flemingsburg out of habit, go to Maysville, Mt. Sterling, or Paris.
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by 76 Bar » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:38 pm

The infamous Elephant ad compliments of Dr Hough:
http://www.noahsangusranch.com/Docs/Sin ... ghindd.pdf

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Silver » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:04 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
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Silver wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:37 pm
I bet I could take a cow/bull calf from the yards, and put him up against a President calf from one of my best cows, and it would be no contest. I could feed the mystery bull MORE than I feed President and he would still not catch up.
That's hopeful thinking. And baseless bragging. Stockyards are where all animals end up, even the very best. You really need to take a trip north, you would return home a very humble individual. Would't that be a breath of fresh air.
Humble?

Try the stockyards here in my hometown if you want to be humbled.

I doubt a top sire from ABS or ORIgen would bring more than $1800

How is that for humbling?
Oh, so you are just comparing your best stuff against only the offerings at your local yard. I see. What I didn't see is where you were talking about money, only performance. Then you switched to money. Very hard to follow.... You aren't a holder of public office by chance?

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:07 pm

76 Bar wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:38 pm
The infamous Elephant ad compliments of Dr Hough:
http://www.noahsangusranch.com/Docs/Sin ... ghindd.pdf
Very interesting article. Thank you for posting it.
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Nesikep » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:24 pm

76 Bar wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:38 pm
The infamous Elephant ad compliments of Dr Hough:
http://www.noahsangusranch.com/Docs/Sin ... ghindd.pdf
Really good article!

Read the website name real slow... NoAssAngusRanch :P
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:29 pm

Interesting article - that's an understatement. Dr. Hough kinda threw them under the bus. Article is not dated, but it is sometime after 2011. Real slam on the ELEPHANT ads!
" and in the latest MARC Cycle VIIa data, mature Angus cow weight on a body condition score constant basis were larger than
all breeds except Hereford. Bigger than all the Continental breeds including Charolais!"
" The USDA Meat Animal Research Center (MARC)a shows that Angus has annually increased weaning weight, yearling weight and milk faster than any other breed, but has also increased birth weight more than any other breed except Hereford, while
in general, the Continentals have decreased birth weight. Angus is still the calving ease leader, but not by the margin once enjoyed."
"Pregnancy rates of Angus yearling heifers trailed Hereford, Red Angus, Charolais and Simmental while being only one percent above Limousin, with Gelbvieh bringing up the rear."

It's getting late - have not read the whole article. Everyone should READ it. Pretty slick posting that one "76".
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:31 pm

http://www.noahsangusranch.com/

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Silver » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:32 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:07 pm
76 Bar wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:38 pm
The infamous Elephant ad compliments of Dr Hough:
http://www.noahsangusranch.com/Docs/Sin ... ghindd.pdf
Very interesting article. Thank you for posting it.
Yes, a very interesting article for sure.

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Brookhill Angus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:22 pm

Sounds like Dr. Hough has an agenda, but if you guys are happy that’s all that matters.
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Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:27 pm

His article was slanted to be sure.
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:17 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:22 pm
Sounds like Dr. Hough has an agenda, but if you guys are happy that’s all that matters.
I think Bob Hough is a pretty darn smart cattle guy. Read the article closely.
If I remember correctly he is a good friend of Red Bull Breeder also.
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