What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by elkwc » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:51 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
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ALACOWMAN wrote:
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Brookhill Angus wrote:
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Yes, total b.s
I can see you have never done any crossbreeding..
All the cross bred cattle around me are small compared to what I’m producing. Why would I think otherwise?
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What would your cattle look like if they were managed like commercial cattle? This is the issue myself and other commercial breeders have experienced. The cattle will perform with enough feed but fall apart when they have to work for a living.



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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by sim.-ang.king » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:26 am

Hybrid Vigor doesn't exists they said, don't crossbreed they said.


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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Brookhill Angus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:07 am

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:26 am
Hybrid Vigor doesn't exists they said, don't crossbreed they said.


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Nuff said.
Am I missing something?
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Brookhill Angus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:09 am

Ebenezer wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:51 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:39 pm
ALACOWMAN wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:29 pm
I can see you have never done any crossbreeding..
All the cross bred cattle around me are small compared to what I’m producing. Why would I think otherwise?
Maybe you can find some pictures of crossbred cattle owned by other folks to post for us. :lol:
Ask BR. I’m not sure people would want me posting photos of what I see.
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by lithuanian farmer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:14 am

106days old on the pic. From a heifer too.
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Just an example of crossbreeding pros.

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by wbvs58 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:52 am

BH, the growth you are getting is very good. I think I do pretty well with the growth of my purebred calves as well and have not had any desire to cross breed. Just remember that the growth you are getting will not influence their EPD's as your calves are only compared against your own calves in that management group. I don't really know what you are trying to achieve with your fastidious care and feeding, just raising them on your great Kentucky pasture would serve the same purpose of differentiating the high achievers.

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by callmefence » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:55 am

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Bright Raven » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:03 am

I don't have doubts about hybrid vigor. And when it comes to genetics, it is a fundamental scientific fact proven and tested for almost a 100 years that when two diverse genetic pools are mixed by interbreeding, the offspring display heterosis. Pick up any 200 level genetics text book and you will see a chapter in the index covering the concept of heterosis.

Having said that, as a breeding stock producer, my buyers prefer purebred. Why? Because they want to experience the direct results of hybrid vigor/heterosis in their F1 crosses. Most of my Simmental bulls are sold to commercial guys who are using them on mostly Angus influenced herds. They want a purebred Simmental.
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Bright Raven » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:15 am

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:09 am
Ebenezer wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:51 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:39 pm


All the cross bred cattle around me are small compared to what I’m producing. Why would I think otherwise?
Maybe you can find some pictures of crossbred cattle owned by other folks to post for us. :lol:
Ask BR. I’m not sure people would want me posting photos of what I see.
I can confirm that your herd is much more uniform, better conformation, and bigger than the surrounding herds of mixed cattle.

That does not diminish the merits of cross breeding. It does confirm that your father is an excellent breeder who has achieved his goals.
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Ebenezer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:21 am

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:07 am
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:26 am
Hybrid Vigor doesn't exists they said, don't crossbreed they said.


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Nuff said.
Am I missing something?
Quite a bit.

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by ALACOWMAN » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 am

Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:21 am
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:07 am
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:26 am
Hybrid Vigor doesn't exists they said, don't crossbreed they said.


Image

Nuff said.
Am I missing something?
Quite a bit.
plus the fact he equates ""bigger"" with crossbreeding ...that's usually the end result in a crossbred 3 way system..
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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Texas Gal » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:09 am

snoopdog wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:36 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:24 pm
Ebenezer wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:43 pm
So hybrid vigor is a fable now? Good grief!
Yes, total b.s
This guy.
Bless his heart.

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by sim.-ang.king » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:29 am

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 am
Ebenezer wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:21 am
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:07 am


Am I missing something?
Quite a bit.
plus the fact he equates ""bigger"" with crossbreeding ...that's usually the end result in a crossbred 3 way system..
That "little" sim-ang steer weighed 1425# when he went to slaughter at a year and a half. That was after being on a holding ration, and pasture for 3 months so he wouldn't be over finished, or get placed in a heavier weight class for the shows. That's a lot of meat on a small frame.

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Why should I apologize for becoming a monster?
Did anyone apologize for making me one?

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by 76 Bar » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:26 am

Having said that, as a breeding stock producer, my buyers prefer purebred.
Enlighten me. Historically the term purebred has been acknowledged to mean sans other breeds in a pedigree. Some breed associations that allow "breeding up" unfortunately opted to bastardize that concept. Curious to know your thoughts on this issue.

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Re: What's hybrid vigor? This baby is PUREBRED ANGUS!

Post by Brookhill Angus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:30 am

Ok, I get it now, you all have cleared up everything for me, especially the “bless his heart” comment, I know the translation of that phrase.

Here is what I should “theoretically” do with my herd if I’m correct.

First, stick by the textbook. I should head over to the stockyards, or perhaps borrow the neighbor’s bull, even though his pedigree is dubious at best, and take what I’ve built and breed them all to a non Angus bull?

Then I stand back in awe of the explosive, growth and fertility that I have produced.

Then I wonder to myself, how are you ever going to fix this mess you have created, LOL!

I mentioned a while back that I would like, as an experiment to have a Shorthorn/Angus mix commercial group, and several people on here said that I would get “killed” when I went to sell them, even my ABS rep said, get that nonsense out of your head. That told me a lot, because I consider Shorthorns to be very fine cattle.

I think I will stick with my plan, there seems to be a fair amount of interest and demand for Angus, especially fully backgrounded, healthy, and uniform Angus.
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