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Frame size

Post by Named'em Tamed'em » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:18 pm

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To me this is a large frame cow, too large for me but she's mine. :)

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Re: Frame size

Post by wbvs58 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:30 am

She seems to be in proportion. What does she weigh? I would guess around 900kg.

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Re: Frame size

Post by Redgully » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:47 am

wbvs58 wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:30 am
She seems to be in proportion. What does she weigh? I would guess around 900kg.

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Looks good to me, but I'd be surprised if over 750kg

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Re: Frame size

Post by Bright Raven » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:51 am

Deep, long, lots of capacity. A nice cow. To judge height, there is not a reference like a gate or something. Just from the picture, she does look tall.
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Re: Frame size

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:07 am

I’d be proud to own her.
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Re: Frame size

Post by ALACOWMAN » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:10 am

That soggy deep body. And your worried about a little extra frame..judging from ground to gut, she needs it...if shes doing that on grass...give me a complete package like that,any day..
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Re: Frame size

Post by Ebenezer » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:52 am

It is probably environmental or fescue related but if a cow was here in that condition she would not deal well with the heat and would also probably mover to a point that she would be infertile. Bonsma said that a ball of fat in the brisket is a sign of past abortions so it is not a positive for me. But there have been cattle here that would migrate to such a condition but they fell out or I sold them. I am not saying that she is not idea for you but here she would not be the poster child. I'd say that she weighs 1600.

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Re: Frame size

Post by Ky hills » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:33 am

My opinion, if the cow is doing what you want her to within your management, then she is working good, regardless of being a larger frame. I have always tended to have cows that were fairly large frame, because that seems to be what the markets around here wants as far as feeder calves. Smaller framed, fleshy calves are docked. It is a balancing act for sure, the desired end product type is somewhat antagonistic to the desired cow type. I am currently coming to the mindset to moderate the average cow size down a little and still utilize a little larger frame bull on some to try to strike the balance. Back in the winter we culled out a few cows that weighed from 1600-1800 lbs, in those cases those cows were not producing calves any heavier than the others.

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Re: Frame size

Post by Nesikep » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:41 am

She's just big all around.. As long as she's making a calf that's in line with her feed bill I don't see a problem with her.. well.. maybe it's just the pic but her hind legs look a little funny
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Re: Frame size

Post by Hippie Rancher » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:32 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
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Bonsma said that a ball of fat in the brisket is a sign of past abortions so it is not a positive for me.

Huh, never heard that before. just thought it was fat. don't see it much out here on range cows, but show cattle all seem to look like that, :???:

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Re: Frame size

Post by Named'em Tamed'em » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:51 pm

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Re: Frame size

Post by elkwc » Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:50 am

Personally I like her. I have a smaller framed easy keeping cow. She has had 4 calves and so far seems to be fertile. I had some concerns early. Have retained one daughter and lost one as a yearling. The daughter isn't as easy of a keeper but a nice cow.
We have a few cows as big or bigger than this cow. We keep them simply because they produce what the buyers want. We have a 5.5 frame Hereford bull now that is siring nice calves. Hoping they have enough frame for the buyers. He is big boned, long and heavy muscled. 2,150-2,200 in the pasture breeding. We will know this fall if they have enough frame to satisfy the buyer. Our plan is to retain his baldy daughters and if needed using a larger framed bull.

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Re: Frame size

Post by Nesikep » Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:14 pm

Hippie Rancher wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:32 pm
Ebenezer wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:52 am
Bonsma said that a ball of fat in the brisket is a sign of past abortions so it is not a positive for me.

Huh, never heard that before. just thought it was fat. don't see it much out here on range cows, but show cattle all seem to look like that, :???:
I don't see it as indicate previous abortions, just having had a year of "holidays", perhaps they lost the calf for whatever reason and just pigged out for a year.. We had one cow we slaughtered after she had summer holidays, we trimmed 200 lbs of fat off the carcass before it even went to hang, then 200 lbs more came off.. she was FAAAATTTT
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Re: Frame size

Post by Hippie Rancher » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:44 pm

Nesikep wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:14 pm
Hippie Rancher wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:32 pm
Ebenezer wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:52 am
Bonsma said that a ball of fat in the brisket is a sign of past abortions so it is not a positive for me.

Huh, never heard that before. just thought it was fat. don't see it much out here on range cows, but show cattle all seem to look like that, :???:
I don't see it as indicate previous abortions, just having had a year of "holidays", perhaps they lost the calf for whatever reason and just pigged out for a year.. We had one cow we slaughtered after she had summer holidays, we trimmed 200 lbs of fat off the carcass before it even went to hang, then 200 lbs more came off.. she was FAAAATTTT



ah, OK that makes sense

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Re: Frame size

Post by CreekAngus » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:56 pm

Named'em Tamed'em wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:18 pm
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To me this is a large frame cow, too large for me but she's mine. :)

6 year old New Design 878 girl, easy to handle, gets bred AI every time. Some are just pigs.
Is she out of Hal-Way genetics? She looks like one of their cattle. I don’t understand the whole ta do about the extra fat in the brisket, mine all carry extra storage there and none have aborted. Typically when I see that in this area, I think that cows and easy keeper.
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