Angus: $M

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Angus: $M

Post by CreekAngus » Fri May 31, 2019 8:58 am

This morning I woke up, as for the new $B scores, I don't have new cattle. The new $M, it appears is just an accumulation of the current EPD's which really tell you nothing about the maternal worth of a cow. My high indexing cattle are high valued in the $M, my lower indexing cows appear to be by the numbers, candidates for the cull pen.


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Re: Angus: $M

Post by CreekAngus » Fri May 31, 2019 9:05 am

And don't forget to check your foot scores, you may have a bunch of cripples walking around your fields this morning. I noticed my cattle barely changed in $B, basically lost the decimal.
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Re: Angus: $M

Post by True Grit Farms » Fri May 31, 2019 9:06 am

Some you win some you loose.
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Re: Angus: $M

Post by NEFarmwife » Fri May 31, 2019 10:31 am

Actually faired well on the $M.

Those who didn’t have great feet have their scores actually reflect that. So, I’m rather impressed. That is in my own herd. I can’t say, looking at a few sires that are suppose to have great feet but their scores aren’t reflecting that...

I had some pretty wide swings on $B both ways but most were within the projected changes ($6).

I’m seeing some highly touted sires not fairing very well on these changes but I’ll just sit here and sip tea.

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by LCBulls » Fri May 31, 2019 11:23 am

It’s definitely going to throw a wrench into a lot of Sires.
I know that the foot score EPD has me second guessing a few Sires we used. A couple of them were touted as great footed as well.
I think the claw and angle EPD is more important than the $M. Especially with how it was weighted to overcompensate for CED and CEM. The rest I basically agree with.

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Till-Hill » Fri May 31, 2019 12:02 pm

Anyone got a list of high indexing proven bulls out yet?

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Jake » Fri May 31, 2019 12:08 pm

Pretty interesting seeing the sires at the bottom of the list.

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Bright Raven » Fri May 31, 2019 12:19 pm

I am not an AAA member. Please, someone give a brief explanation of the reassessment of EPDs that apparently is going on. What is the type of data being used to base the revision of EPDs on? Genomic I assume? Just a guess. And are all the EPDs going through a revision?
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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Ebenezer » Fri May 31, 2019 12:28 pm

Was glad to see that a bull I helped a friend buy last year is in the top 1%.

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Fri May 31, 2019 12:32 pm

If you will go take a look at your cattle today they won't look a bit different than yesterday. Numbers change cattle don't if they work they work if not they are a cull. Seems simple to me.

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by sim.-ang.king » Fri May 31, 2019 12:37 pm

Just another index for the lazy breeders to use, and the big boys to market.
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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Fri May 31, 2019 12:44 pm

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 12:37 pm
Just another index for the lazy breeders to use, and the big boys to market.
Seems to be Sim. Never seen a number on a peice of paper make a sorry cow better or a good cow bad.

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 31, 2019 1:03 pm

Red Bull Breeder wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 12:44 pm
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 12:37 pm
Just another index for the lazy breeders to use, and the big boys to market.
Seems to be Sim. Never seen a number on a peice of paper make a sorry cow better or a good cow bad.
Keep telling yourself that line. If you are just licking your finger and eyeballing an animal, then yeah, I guess it doesn't matter.

As for Sim's remark, weren't you bloviating on how great the crossbreed genetic DNA testing was?

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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Brookhill Angus » Fri May 31, 2019 1:04 pm

Ebenezer wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 12:28 pm
Was glad to see that a bull I helped a friend buy last year is in the top 1%.
Good job!
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Re: Angus: $M

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Fri May 31, 2019 1:18 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 1:03 pm
Red Bull Breeder wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 12:44 pm
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 12:37 pm
Just another index for the lazy breeders to use, and the big boys to market.
Seems to be Sim. Never seen a number on a peice of paper make a sorry cow better or a good cow bad.
Keep telling yourself that line. If you are just licking your finger and eyeballing an animal, then yeah, I guess it doesn't matter.

As for Sim's remark, weren't you bloviating on how great the crossbreed genetic DNA testing was?

People flip flop on here like a fish out of water.
I suspect i been telling myself that line a lot longer than you been breeding cattle. I have seen more changes in epd's than i care to remember. Still have not seen numbers on a piece of paper make a good cow better or worse. The animal never changes only the numbers. If she was sorry she is still sorry. If a bull was good yesterday he is still good today. The best bulls of any breed has never graced the pages of a semen catalog, and have never sired a registered calf.

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