Interesting article on angus

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Interesting article on angus

Post by Hook2.0 » Wed May 29, 2019 9:55 am



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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by NEFarmwife » Wed May 29, 2019 10:06 am

That is why changes were made. The association realized what was happening.

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by gaurus » Wed May 29, 2019 12:28 pm

Do we really need an article to know that Baldies are better cows than pure Angus?

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by sim.-ang.king » Wed May 29, 2019 1:26 pm

How dare you imply that Angus is inferior in any way to crossbred cattle!
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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by gaurus » Wed May 29, 2019 1:50 pm

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 1:26 pm
How dare you imply that Angus is inferior in any way to crossbred cattle!
Balies, Super Baldies cows are money making machines

I am not sure how a "Terminal Line" Angus is really bad at all, I mean for the Angus purists that have old lines like Wye genetics on their cows, I am sure that crossing them Terminal Angus bulls will only bring them more $$.. Or am I missing something here?

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by Ebenezer » Wed May 29, 2019 4:42 pm

gaurus wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 1:50 pm
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 1:26 pm
How dare you imply that Angus is inferior in any way to crossbred cattle!
Balies, Super Baldies cows are money making machines

I am not sure how a "Terminal Line" Angus is really bad at all, I mean for the Angus purists that have old lines like Wye genetics on their cows, I am sure that crossing them Terminal Angus bulls will only bring them more $$.. Or am I missing something here?
Terminal in the sense that lower fertility and other problems plagues the females; feet, udders, disposition,... I think that
you will find that any folks with much Wye in the herd are minimal. Crossbreeding is a good tool for making end product cattle.

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by CreekAngus » Wed May 29, 2019 6:03 pm

I saw this earlier today on Facebook. In our thread that got locked we discussed epd's and the chase of extremes, which most agree has been a disaster for the breed. But I wonder, how do we correct it, everyone claims they have maternal cows, maternal genetics, maternal this or that.
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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by Hook2.0 » Wed May 29, 2019 6:08 pm

CreekAngus wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:03 pm
I saw this earlier today on Facebook. In our thread that got locked we discussed epd's and the chase of extremes, which most agree has been a disaster for the breed. But I wonder, how do we correct it, everyone claims they have maternal cows, maternal genetics, maternal this or that.
The epd’s need to be revamped. If im not mistaken, each breed association sets the standard baseline. I like angus, but they aren't the perfect breed the association claims them to be
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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by Cornfed01 » Wed May 29, 2019 6:23 pm

Poultry and swine industries aren't what I want to see happen with the beef industry.

I do agree with the author however, in that the current trend is likely biting the breed in the butt. I'm sure he has the data to back the statement up. Subjectively, it appears that way just looking at herds across the local area. His calling for distinction of lines is the new attempt of the Angus breed (he's involved with Black Opal) in having their cake and eating it also.

There are breeds within breeds and you can cross that for a commercial or terminal animal. But you'll never get the heterosis of crossing outside the breed.

I can moreso understand the continental breeds trying to focus on improving maternal traits in an attempt to take more of the female market share, since they dominate the herd.

I find it interesting that Angus breeders have focused so much on terminal traits. But that goes back to CAB and the influence on turning hides black.

Guess they are starting to see the hickup in the race to be the terminal breed of choice plan.

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by haase » Wed May 29, 2019 6:30 pm

There has been two kings in the cattle industry, first were Herfords, then came the Angus, common sense tells you that that is a hard cross to beat, just my :2cents:

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by ALACOWMAN » Wed May 29, 2019 7:01 pm

haase wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:30 pm
There has been two kings in the cattle industry, first were Herfords, then came the Angus, common sense tells you that that is a hard cross to beat, just my :2cents:
A old man told me years ago.""that I'd never do any better than a herf/ angus cross""" and it seems if your not chasing rabbits are trying to reinvent the wheel..it's a great cross too pay the bills..
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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by Cornfed01 » Wed May 29, 2019 7:08 pm

Hook2.0 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:08 pm
CreekAngus wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:03 pm
I saw this earlier today on Facebook. In our thread that got locked we discussed epd's and the chase of extremes, which most agree has been a disaster for the breed. But I wonder, how do we correct it, everyone claims they have maternal cows, maternal genetics, maternal this or that.
The epd’s need to be revamped. If im not mistaken, each breed association sets the standard baseline. I like angus, but they aren't the perfect breed the association claims them to be
My .02
I think if you pay attention to the EN, you can identify more "maternal" genetics, then I select from there.
haase wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:30 pm
There has been two kings in the cattle industry, first were Herfords, then came the Angus, common sense tells you that that is a hard cross to beat, just my :2cents:
That they are. But we could get into a 10 page argument of what to put over them.

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by JMJ Farms » Wed May 29, 2019 7:17 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:01 pm
haase wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:30 pm
There has been two kings in the cattle industry, first were Herfords, then came the Angus, common sense tells you that that is a hard cross to beat, just my :2cents:
A old man told me years ago.""that I'd never do any better than a herf/ angus cross""" and it seems if your not chasing rabbits are trying to reinvent the wheel..it's a great cross too pay the bills..
Yep. I like a baldy. Always have. Like a super baldy even better. I’ve got a handful of F1 Braford heifers I’ve raised that I bred to a SimAngus bull. I really like the results of that too. Ain’t got nothing bad to say about Angus. But I like a cross for what I do.
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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by bball » Wed May 29, 2019 7:50 pm

I am really liking this thread. I appreciate and value baldies. Just need to get my hands on some Herefords from a certain gentleman down in KY to improve my Hereford girls.

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Re: Interesting article on angus

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Wed May 29, 2019 8:03 pm

bball wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:50 pm
I am really liking this thread. I appreciate and value baldies. Just need to get my hands on some Herefords from a certain gentleman down in KY to improve my Hereford girls.

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