Double Muscled Charolais Bull

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Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by gaurus » Sun May 26, 2019 11:02 am

Wanting some input on DM Charolais bulls, I've heard the Culard Charolais bulls are pretty good.



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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by Ky hills » Sun May 26, 2019 2:57 pm

Don't know anything about Double Muscled Charolais and I will leave it at that. I have had enough Charolais bulls to know that I sure don't want a double muscled one.

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by mwj » Sun May 26, 2019 3:18 pm

Check the USDA grading system , they may not accept to sell on a grid type system. They are used in the European system which pays for lean muscle.
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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by Muddy » Sun May 26, 2019 3:34 pm

I didn't know if the double muscled Charolais are in United States. It seems Europe has more double muscled type cattle over there than here. I don't think we need double muscled Charolais.

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by lithuanian farmer » Sun May 26, 2019 4:08 pm

Haven't used double muscled charolais myself, but know some people, who use AI, or run a bull. People like them over here(in some EU countries). They can be easier calved than traditional charolais, smaller bones, higher kill-out, producing quality calves. Very good choice to get heavily muscled weanlings. They're not for everyone's taste and needs thought.

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by gaurus » Sun May 26, 2019 7:24 pm

lithuanian farmer wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 4:08 pm
Haven't used double muscled charolais myself, but know some people, who use AI, or run a bull. People like them over here(in some EU countries). They can be easier calved than traditional charolais, smaller bones, higher kill-out, producing quality calves. Very good choice to get heavily muscled weanlings. They're not for everyone's taste and needs thought.
I was looking at some bulls online and saw the Belgian Blues and thought wow they looks like a hulk, but then thought Nah Charolais are much bigger, so what could be better than a Big Charolais? How about a Big DM Charolais? seems like most French Charolais now are Double Muscled so they are ought to be better right? RIGHT???

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sun May 26, 2019 8:41 pm

Wrong.
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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by frieghttrain » Sun May 26, 2019 9:09 pm

Nadda not a fan of dm in any breed.
Quality doesn't have a color.

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by BC » Sun May 26, 2019 9:34 pm

frieghttrain wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:09 pm
Nadda not a fan of dm in any breed.
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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by gaurus » Sun May 26, 2019 11:35 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 8:41 pm
Wrong.
What could go wrong if used strictly as terminal sire for feeder calves on milking zebu cows?

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by lithuanian farmer » Mon May 27, 2019 2:34 am

French Charolais and double muscled Charolais, aka Culard Charolais, are considered two separate branches. DM Charolais aren't suitable for pure breeding. They have their place in crossbreeding. Charolais naturally has double muscles gene, so it can occur once in a while, however, these were bred strictly for it's expression. Best to use on plain easy calving cows.
A video of dm charolais:

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon May 27, 2019 5:24 am

https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf
See page 2:
(2) The U.S. Inferior grade shall apply to all feeder cattle that have been determined to be
unthrifty. Additionally, "double-muscled" (muscular hypertrophy) cattle are graded Inferior because
they cannot be expected to deposit intramuscular fat (marbling) normally.
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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by Muddy » Mon May 27, 2019 9:54 am

It just doesn't make sense to using a DM Charolais when most normal Charolais are bred as terminal sire..

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by lithuanian farmer » Mon May 27, 2019 11:23 am

The situation is pretty similar with almost all breeds in US going black and many breeds bred to have DM in EU... :hide:

DM Charolais mainly are used on Salers and Aubrac cows. A normal charolais works well on those types of cows, but with DM they get abit less bone and more muscles. Calves are mostly sold as weanlings for export.
From what I've heard from other farmers, DM charolais isn't very liked breed in France, where it actually was developed.
Also DM charolais used to have some problems with their legs. It might have been improved now, but have seen many xbred offspring with very bad legs.

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Re: Double Muscled Charolais Bull

Post by gaurus » Tue May 28, 2019 8:44 am

lithuanian farmer wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 11:23 am
The situation is pretty similar with almost all breeds in US going black and many breeds bred to have DM in EU... :hide:
USA and Japan value Highly Marbled beef
European Union countries favor Lean Healthy beef, they also use these type of extreme bulls on dairy cows to produce feeder calves for the EU export market.

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