What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

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What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by AllisHunter » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:04 am

Hi Everyone,

I am new to the forum and excited to be here! We raise registered Beedmaster cattle in west central Missouri, but we are looking to diversify.
In our area black cattle are king as far as the market is concerned, so I'd like to explore some options of using either Angus or Black Simmental to cross with our Beefmasters. I am looking for a terminal cross primarily, however I wouldn't mind selling some replacement heifers in our area as well. Has anyone done a cross similar to this, and how did it work out? In our area people do not like eared cattle as well, and we are looking to hide some of the ear without giving up all the benefits of the Brahma influence.
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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by Ebenezer » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:38 pm

For a terminal cross you could use a Charolais or a Brookhill Angus bull. ;-) The bigger the better. Keep the birth weights up for maximum growth.

Heifers from planned terminal crosses should be fed out and processed. They are as terminal as the steer mates.

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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by AllisHunter » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:57 pm

Thank you for the info. I have thought about Charolais and am not against it.

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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by Caustic Burno » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:18 pm

Personally I would look for a good Angus bull to tighten the leather and trim ears. Several pluses black calves and you don’t have to deal with a Char bull. I would rather have a dose of :clap: versus a Char bull.
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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by bird dog » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:53 pm

I have an angus over my herd which has about 15 beefmaters. The calves come out about 1/8 ear, mostly black but some red to brownish. About 1 out of 8 will show more ear than that. They sell well around here and in OKC where the better ones go. Mine are not terminal and I retain some heifers.

My herd is mixed and the angus bull doesn't put a very big butt on some of my angus cross calves so I bought a black Limousin to try and improve this. We will see how he works on some of the beefmamasters but I think it will be good.

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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by Midtenn » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:03 pm

I like Charolais but with beef master cows I would think you will get some odd colored calves. Never done it so I don't know. For black calves, There are plenty of terminal angus out there and they are usually cheap. Most people won't buy an angus bull with 4 or more birthweight.

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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by Brute 23 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:21 pm

Black Angus bull for sure. They will make some scale stompers and some great ladies.
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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by callmefence » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:28 am

Angus xbeefmaster cows are the best cows I guess I own. Great cross.
For all terminal though I would go with the char.
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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by AllisHunter » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:40 am

Thanks for all the replys so far. Its sounds like Angus and Char are the ways to go depending on what you are after. Has anyone had any experience with a simmental cross?

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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by Caustic Burno » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:49 am

AllisHunter wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:40 am
Thanks for all the replys so far. Its sounds like Angus and Char are the ways to go depending on what you are after. Has anyone had any experience with a simmental cross?
EPD’s have come a long way between breeds.
My experience with Simmental and Brahman crosses and composites wasn’t good. This was back when Simms were red and white. I had more than my share of behemoth calves. Have to remember hybrid vigor starts at conception. Not all breeds compliment each other as well.The only bull I ever pulled more calves from was a Char. I have been virtually trouble free when using English bulls over Brahman influence cattle. There is actually some science behind English bulls suppressing BW without the hybrid growth.

“From Dr. David Greg Riley TAMU.
Brahman Hybrid Vigor
F1 Brahman
Weaning rate increase with
Hereford 20%
Shorthorn 13%
Angus 12.2%
Charolais 7% ”
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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by Stocker Steve » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:52 am

You get 20% more calves per year with Hereford X Brahman vs. straight Hereford ?
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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by Caustic Burno » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:15 am

Stocker Steve wrote:
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You get 20% more calves per year with Hereford X Brahman vs. straight Hereford ?
Weight at weaning.
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Re: What to cross with a Beedmaster for Terminal Cross

Post by greybeard » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:25 am

Char-Sim bull on Beefmaster cows...from a year or several back
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This one drowned in the Hurricane Harvey flood, a week after I took this picture:
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A heifer I donated to be raised by a 4H kid. He did a good job.
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I just mess with cows because I want them around. Not a big herd at all. 26 cows right now,4 calves, one bull.
Most of my cows are Chars, just a handful of Beefmasters now. Out of the 17 calves I got from the BM cows and heifers, I only lost one at calving.
No longer have that char/sim bull....died in Feb 2018 but he was pretty old anyway. Looking for another one like him. Dog gentle and covered everything.
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