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Casino Bomber N33

Post by Brookhill Angus » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:55 pm

I would like to know if any CT members have used this bull, or will be using him.

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His Youtube video:

http://bit.ly/2FlF5na

His AAA info:

http://bit.ly/2TPYGE1

He is featured as the lot 1 bull on the Vermilion website.

I like what I see, and would use him if I can get the semen.


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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by W.B. » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:56 pm

Did you join the low birthweight bandwagon? Only kidding. I am getting Broken Bow calves right now. I haven’t seen Bomber or his calves. Is semen hard to get?

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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by 76 Bar » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:52 pm

Interesting that a 1-29-16 born $190,000 "super star bull" purchased by one of the biggest Angus outfits in the country and sans being available in the interim to AI studs is currently slotted as Vermillion's number one lot in their upcoming sale. PT Barnum was spot on.

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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by Brookhill Angus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:44 pm

76 Bar wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:52 pm
Interesting that a 1-29-16 born $190,000 "super star bull" purchased by one of the biggest Angus outfits in the country and sans being available in the interim to AI studs is currently slotted as Vermillion's number one lot in their upcoming sale. PT Barnum was spot on.
So you are saying he is all smoke and mirrors and that their cattle business is suffering, so therefore they have resorted to trying to flip bulls for a few shekels?

Some of you guys must wear belts AND suspenders. Live a little! Order 20 straws and stick a few heifers and see what happens. What’s the worst that goes wrong? You get some top notch calves?

I think this bull could have a solid future ahead of him, and could bring some good things to the table. Just my opinion.
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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by jscunn » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:00 pm

Brookhill,
What is the worst thing that can happen.. wow, remember CA Future Direction.. That was pretty bad, if you had any calves. Not saying bomber has a defect, just saying the worst thing that can happen is pretty bad sometimes.

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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:18 pm

jscunn wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:00 pm
Brookhill,
What is the worst thing that can happen.. wow, remember CA Future Direction.. That was pretty bad, if you had any calves. Not saying bomber has a defect, just saying the worst thing that can happen is pretty bad sometimes.
What do you mean by "defect"? Not being a smart azz just trying to understand.
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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by Brookhill Angus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:06 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:18 pm
jscunn wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:00 pm
Brookhill,
What is the worst thing that can happen.. wow, remember CA Future Direction.. That was pretty bad, if you had any calves. Not saying bomber has a defect, just saying the worst thing that can happen is pretty bad sometimes.
What do you mean by "defect"? Not being a smart azz just trying to understand.
Genetic carrier of some recessive.

I know there is a LOT that can happen. It can happen with many top bulls. I hear a lot of people on here talk about using untested, bulls. Take nearly any sale in the country and tell me how many bulls had a complete genetic bundle test performed? Maybe a few but definitely not the entire group in most cases. So with that said it’s all a risk some way or the other.

I maintain that this bull is legit, from what I can see.

But here is the worst that could happen. If he were a carrier, which I highly doubt he is, I would steer all the sons, recoup my semen cost and make a handsome profit, as for the heifers, I would sell them as commercial with no papers with a full disclaimer to the buyer. They would join the untold amounts of commercial cattle that probably have some defect of some kind. Either way, I would be completely honest with the buyer and show them the DNA test.

That is way more than most people would do. I see bulls that are carriers being marketed in sales here in Kentucky. I also see Epic sons for sale.

I personally would not sell a person a bull that is a carrier.
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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by Muddy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:31 pm

You won't sell a carrier bull but gladly to sell carrier females?

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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by jscunn » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:10 pm

Lets not go down a rabbit hole, about defects.. Brookhill but you are showing your inexperience about what happened with AM and then with NH.. lots of breeders were line breeding to Precision.. so the worst that can happen is calves that are DOA.. dead calves dont grow, and darn sure dont make good steers..

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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by Brookhill Angus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:13 pm

Muddy wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:31 pm
You won't sell a carrier bull but gladly to sell carrier females?
9 out of 10 people, even if it was fully explained to them in excruciating detail would not care if an animal was a carrier.

I spoke with a guy today that bought his herd bull for $875. Obviously not from me! Very nice fellow, well-intentioned, he would not have cared even in the slightest about recessives.

We don't have any carriers in our entire herd, so what I'm speaking of is a hypothetical, but if for some reason a carrier surfaced at some point and was a female, I would sell her without papers with a full disclaimer. I would let the buyer decide what they wanted to do, but they would have all the information they needed to make the decision.

Like I said however, I don't have any carriers, so that really isn't an issue for me.
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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by Brookhill Angus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:13 pm

jscunn wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:10 pm
Lets not go down a rabbit hole, about defects.. Brookhill but you are showing your inexperience about what happened with AM and then with NH.. lots of breeders were line breeding to Precision.. so the worst that can happen is calves that are DOA.. dead calves dont grow, and darn sure dont make good steers..
I do more homework that you might think
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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by Brookhill Angus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:21 pm

jscunn wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:10 pm
Lets not go down a rabbit hole, about defects.. Brookhill but you are showing your inexperience about what happened with AM and then with NH.. lots of breeders were line breeding to Precision.. so the worst that can happen is calves that are DOA.. dead calves dont grow, and darn sure dont make good steers..
Let me say this, all of the bulls we have for sale are genetic bundle tested, Angus GS as well. No carriers of anything. I also have a BSE on each one before they leave, which is a given.

Do you think buyers really care? I point out all of this to them and it's "uh, ok....then an awkward silence"

I want them to care, but they just don't.

What matters to 90% of the buyers is price, nothing else. It's usually the first thing that is asked about on the call.
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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by W.B. » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:45 pm

76 Bar wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:52 pm
Interesting that a 1-29-16 born $190,000 "super star bull" purchased by one of the biggest Angus outfits in the country and sans being available in the interim to AI studs is currently slotted as Vermillion's number one lot in their upcoming sale. PT Barnum was spot on.
Bomber is not in the upcoming sale. I repeat he is not for sale.

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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by CreekAngus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:02 pm

jscunn wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:10 pm
Lets not go down a rabbit hole, about defects.. Brookhill but you are showing your inexperience about what happened with AM and then with NH.. lots of breeders were line breeding to Precision.. so the worst that can happen is calves that are DOA.. dead calves dont grow, and darn sure dont make good steers..
My original herd got swept up in the whole Precision deal. Ended up sending half my herd to slaughter, didn't even do the testing. My Dad ended up buying a herd bull, four years after the debacle that had Precision in him, I was po'ed with my old man, when the old man died, so did his bull (sent him to slaughter). Obviously this is really far off the topic of Casino Bomber. I don't like his look, seems a bit light in the rudder.
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Re: Casino Bomber N33

Post by Muddy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:16 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:13 pm
Muddy wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:31 pm
You won't sell a carrier bull but gladly to sell carrier females?
9 out of 10 people, even if it was fully explained to them in excruciating detail would not care if an animal was a carrier.

I spoke with a guy today that bought his herd bull for $875. Obviously not from me! Very nice fellow, well-intentioned, he would not have cared even in the slightest about recessives.

We don't have any carriers in our entire herd, so what I'm speaking of is a hypothetical, but if for some reason a carrier surfaced at some point and was a female, I would sell her without papers with a full disclaimer. I would let the buyer decide what they wanted to do, but they would have all the information they needed to make the decision.

Like I said however, I don't have any carriers, so that really isn't an issue for me.
Whose people you spoke of? I never met anyone who didn't care about their cattle being carriers, other than club calf folks. Most times, they usually sent the carrier cows straight to slaughter, not the sale barn.

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