Bull Evaluations TNT Jump start

[RD-Sam]

He didn't weigh 96, he weighed 92, and that doesn't mean his calves will weigh 92. Look at his CED at over 11 and a negative BW, duh!!!

[Loch Valley Fold]

Then again Majestic is out of GW Lucky Dice -- and why would you breed to this turd when you could just breed your cows to Lucky Dice?

If Majestic is as you say out of Lucky Dice were I breeding Simms I would happily & merrily go back & use Majestic's sire what would I have to loose?. I am a firm believer that a bull needs to out produce himself to be of any value to me or anyone else for that matter

[4CTophand]

Thanks to everyone that posted something rather than derogatory statements..

[Red Bull Breeder]

Don't use anything from ABS and don't breed Simmis. If i did breed Simmis they would be Fleck.

[Loch Valley Fold]

I'm a Semex girl myself Personally I like the gold & white simmis - maybe because that is what most have around here
No offense to any black Simmy breeders on here

[farmerD44]

We have 4 calves on the way from Jump Start in March. one is coming in a heifer. I will have to wait till then to give an evaluation.

One of the big shot beef "specialists" from select sires claims he is one of the greatest simmental bulls they have ever bought. Calves come out real small and easy and grow like weeds and very thick. we had a few calves from CCR Vision the last couple years and they sure fit the same discription as this.

[glacierridge]

I'm a Semex girl myself Personally I like the gold & white simmis - maybe because that is what most have around here
No offense to any black Simmy breeders on here

I miss those. The solids are okay, but I miss the pretty patterns.

[glacierridge]

Evaluate this Bull

Never in all the time that I've been AI'ing have I choosen a bull based solely on numbers. I prefer to see daughters of the bull or better yet the bull himself his dam, grand-dam, grand-daughters should he have any.
Personally if I was to choose a black simmental I would be more intestered in
7SM46 Majestic
http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... jestic.pdf
7SM49Jump Start

Link to Select Sires Beef page for those who are interested
http://www.selectsires.com/beef/directo ... _2008.aspx

Majestic is fair as far as his EPDs, API and TI; but his individual performance is in the toilet starting with a 96 lb birth weight unless you are breeeding him to holsteins.His frame score is 6.5 which is unaccepatable these days of feed efficiency etc.. His MM is high, which translates to a heifer that carries a lot of frame and produces too much milk making her a huge user on resources.. She will mature as a 1500+ lb cow who will eat 45 lbs of hay per day and/ or forage and will probably produce the same sized calf as a frame score 5.5 cow and she will produce steer calves that will be framey with low feed efficiency combined with a lager frame and more time spent in the feed yard with a much heavier finishing weight-- this is your basic loose your you know what cow. Then again Majestic is out of GW Lucky Dice -- and why would you breed to this turd when you could just breed your cows to Lucky Dice?

He is not a turd. We've had a few calves from him already and just because is live birth weight was 92 his calves weren't like that. They have all been in nice proportion to their dam's size. His calves have impressive growth, his oldest son at our farm is going for slaughter next month at 15 months old, very nice steer!!
We have two daughters by him, feminine, strong legs, young yet but look promising. We have a beautiful silver daughter from a Charolais dam will be mated to Grandmaster late next summer. I'm excited to see what the outcome may be.

[3waycross]

So instead you live by the EPD and breed your cows to something that looks like an average steer!.................and BTW lay off of Doc!

[Gators Rule]

It is just as impossible to evaluate a bull or a cow or any other head of livestock without a visual appraisal available as it was to buy a "mail-order bride" in the 'olden days'! Would you consider buying, or purchasing a bull that you have never seen??

DOC HARRIS

Maybe with a little bit more function on your part you could have looked at who owned him and go look at his picture online? It isn't that difficult to go online and look at this Bull.. Surely I don't have to do all the work for you? Instead of findng fault with my post why can't you stay on topic and evaluate this Bull based on his traits? It is fairly evident that you have not ever bought a single straw of semen in your life and have no idea of how to evaluate a bull based on Genotype and Phenotype. maybe you do have the ability to evaluate a Bull -- I look forward to it--- but I have an idea you will just come back and complain........

T

Seriously?

I just reread the dates....from 2009. BUT, I also noticed someone looks familiar...LOL

[gizmom]

I don't know who the heck you are but over the years I have read Doc's post and he has forgotten more than you know. As to your post I won't be commenting on any of them until you learn to show some respect.

Gizmom

[Red Bull Breeder]

Some of you folks need to look at the date of the OP. Old tophat has not been on CT as 4ctophand in a few years.

[glacierridge]

Yeah, sorry about the old topic...
I was just using the search looking for interesting posts on bulls that interest me...

At least it's still a relevant bull that's available?

Not like Black Knight U2 or Black Zinger. Lol

[3waycross]

So instead you live by the EPD and breed your cows to something that looks like an average steer!.................and BTW lay off of Doc!

[glacierridge]

It is just as impossible to evaluate a bull or a cow or any other head of livestock without a visual appraisal available as it was to buy a "mail-order bride" in the 'olden days'! Would you consider buying, or purchasing a bull that you have never seen??

DOC HARRIS

Sometimes it happens. I prefer to see the bull, parents and progeny too if possible.
We like to breed for longer bodied cattle (more steaks lol)
And nothing with a super deep rib. For our program they grow well enough without a big rib. It's mostly hamburger anyway. We actually find in our crossbred herd the "sawed off" short bodied calves take longer to put muscle on and have a poorer yield. When you sell most of your stock by hanging weight, you don't like a loose ribbed lower yielding calf.
Probably why we like the BB mixed into the simmys... brings us what we like for our niche.

I say it's nice to have a visual, but I like the EPD to back it up.