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Butcher calves not eating

Post by fnfarms1 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:10 pm

I've got 4 steers growing out to butcher. Weigh 650 each, my own calves. Ate a 4way feed great. My newest load of feed I ask them to up the protein alittle to help them gain weight faster. The new feed is same 4way but more pellets ie. corn gluten I believe. Now they barely touch it. Thoughts?



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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by MurraysMutts » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:35 pm

Perhaps they ain't hungry?

But seriously, maybe u could top dress it with some sweet feed or something for a bit and see if they give it a go?
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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by kenny thomas » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm

Most times when you change feed you take a chance of them not liking it. Usually in a few days they decide it's ok.
My thought only but I don't like to use gluten in feed for a beef. To me it gives it a bad taste
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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by alisonb » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:12 am

Rumen Acidosis would be my guess.
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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:10 pm

As your calves grow, they do NOT need more protein. They need more carbs, like CORN. I don't know what "4-Way" is supposed to be, but every "batch' of feed will taste different.
They either pigged out on the first feeding and made themselves sick, or they are refusing the change. I hate to add molasses to my feed, because once you do, you pretty much can't stop. It's like a little kid that got the taste of sugar.
I would give them all some Probias. Back off on the amount of feed until they are cleaning up again.
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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by greggy » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:23 pm

fnfarms1 wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:10 pm
I've got 4 steers growing out to butcher. Weigh 650 each, my own calves. Ate a 4way feed great. My newest load of feed I ask them to up the protein alittle to help them gain weight faster. The new feed is same 4way but more pellets ie. corn gluten I believe. Now they barely touch it. Thoughts?
They do not like the smell
They do not like the new taste
They are not hungry

I would think a combo of above, so wait and see if they get into it when hungry, hold them somewhere with no feed and just water and put some pellet in a small tub....once one starts, they will prob all go for it.....that is what i would try anyways.....

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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by fnfarms1 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:46 am

I'd say you guys hit it. They started eating this evening, backed them off until cleaning it up. But eating. Thanks guys

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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by sstterry » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:24 am

kenny thomas wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm
Most times when you change feed you take a chance of them not liking it. Usually in a few days they decide it's ok.
My thought only but I don't like to use gluten in feed for a beef. To me it gives it a bad taste
I am also on the non-gluten for my freezer beef wagon. I am straight corn (for my personal beef). For an example of the change in feed thing, I am feeding out a steer now. He was being fed cracked corn. One of the workers for my feed guy accidently gave me ground corn instead. He would not touch it. I am now taking Jeanne's advice and feeding him shelled corn. It took some time but he will now eat all three (I started out mixing it to use up the ground corn).

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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:52 am

In NY, everything is geared for a dairy. Dairy's want a very FINE feed. It is impossible for me to get good cracked corn. Total dust!!! If you pour a bucket outside on a windy day, they have nothing in their feed trough LOL.
Seriously, WSC is the most economical way to finish out a steer. But, if they start out on a sweet feed, you play heck switching them over without always having to add a little molasses.
None of them like CHANGE. You need to save some of the old feed and add it to the new feed to get them adjusted.
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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by greggy » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:52 pm

I feed the young ones a bit of everything, they seem too just take anything I put in a trough now, sometimes if they are a bit full or over something, I just pile some hay or something else they like on top....in the morning everything is always gone...they are prob 6 months now, it is great if you want to measure and ration something...

I find the older heifers the same, they are held away from feed, when I put whatever feed out and let them in, they clean it up. If I put a lot of feed in with them so it is self serve, they pick and choose and drag it out, they may leave something I want them too finish.

Not unlike dogs, leave the bowl there, they know they can do what they want when they want, only get the bowl out at feed time, and they clean it up or miss out.

Good to see they did not trick you into going to get what they want :)

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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by greggy » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:58 pm

sstterry wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:24 am
kenny thomas wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm
Most times when you change feed you take a chance of them not liking it. Usually in a few days they decide it's ok.
My thought only but I don't like to use gluten in feed for a beef. To me it gives it a bad taste
I am also on the non-gluten for my freezer beef wagon. I am straight corn (for my personal beef). For an example of the change in feed thing, I am feeding out a steer now. He was being fed cracked corn. One of the workers for my feed guy accidently gave me ground corn instead. He would not touch it. I am now taking Jeanne's advice and feeding him shelled corn. It took some time but he will now eat all three (I started out mixing it to use up the ground corn).
Is there merit on feeding them up on whatever, say something with gluten.....then have a period, say 60, 90 days or whatever on say your corn to allow the meat to be the way you prefer ?

be nice knows what mind would taste like, they eat so much variety, moot really, job is to drop calves for most :)

I guess you do this diet just for the animal/s you will use yourself ? or do people do this for commercial sales to provide a certain product ?

I remember here they used to use slogans to promote grain feed beef, now they are doing the grass fed beef thing....my big mac tastes the same, albeit long time between tries for me :)

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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by WFfarm » Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:10 pm

Maybe they figured out you're trying to fatten them up for the butcher.

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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:51 pm

greggy - I am sure not an expert on feeding out for carcass - but I do believe the taste of the meat can be altered in the last 90 days of feeding (ie grass vs corn or the potential gluten problem)
I feed WSC to ALL my replacement heifers from weaning to breeding, and to my show cattle (along with other ingredients), and to my steers to be finished for harvest. I only sell 3 or 4 steers each year by the halves (keeping one half for myself of course). the steers get WSC from weaning to butcher - which is usually at 12-13 months of age with an average 750# carcass.
Edit: and all the hay they can eat. I feed WSC because it is the most economical, great flavor and marbling.
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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by sstterry » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:49 am

greggy wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:58 pm


Is there merit on feeding them up on whatever, say something with gluten.....then have a period, say 60, 90 days or whatever on say your corn to allow the meat to be the way you prefer ?

be nice knows what mind would taste like, they eat so much variety, moot really, job is to drop calves for most :)

I guess you do this diet just for the animal/s you will use yourself ? or do people do this for commercial sales to provide a certain product ?

I remember here they used to use slogans to promote grain feed beef, now they are doing the grass fed beef thing....my big mac tastes the same, albeit long time between tries for me :)
I will leave it to those more experienced than I to give a complete answer on this. But the whole grass-fed nonsense is just a marketing ploy in my opinion. What would be the benefit of no corn? No fat = no flavor.

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Re: Butcher calves not eating

Post by greggy » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:06 am

What is WSC.....

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