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Nitrate is iirc 36 percent. So what is the blend you require.Caustic Burno wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:51 pmWrong again it’s nitrate not sulfate.callmefence wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:02 pmThat's straight ammonia sulfate.more than Twice the cost of urea. The only reason to use it is if you're trying to correct soil pH. If you don't know what your doing......then your right , just buy hay and bagged feed.Caustic Burno wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:50 pm
A 21% blend that is 21 lbs of N to the 100 lbs of fertilizer.So you would have to throw 250 lbs per acre to get 52 lbs of N.
That’s actually below TAMU’s recommendation
http://publications.tamu.edu/FORAGE/PUB ... 0Texas.pdf
It’s all about soil needs to produce forage not the cheapest.
Just to clarify, I no-till as fence is recommending. It’s on the 60 acres I used to prepare a seedbed for the oats. After 2011 I’ve not been more than 60% stocked to prior numbers so maximum production isn’t a goal anymore. I was experimenting with the no-till idea in 2009 and 2010 with some success on 20 acres I had planted to Bermuda. Was trying to get more winter grazing than just the ryegrass it grew. If I could grow more forage I could buy a couple more cows.... ....It’s been 6 or 7 years since I sunk a plow in it. If I stay stocked as I am now the rest of the place can grow enough cool season grasses not to have to rely on a “farmed” field of oats. Last year I had a lot more “standing” grass when the frost burned it off...winter grasses had a lot of cover It had to grow through. Not so much a problem this year.Lucky wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:22 pmThe deal with planting winter forage is all about timing. Most people just don’t have the time to hit it just right. Fence is lucky enough to work for himself and have employees that can help get oats in. I feed hay and supplement according to hay quality as a necessity due to time. I have a neighbor that plants oats every year and does well with it but he’s a full time farmer. Bottom line is it cost money to feed cows and everyone needs to do what works best in their situation. It’s fun to talk about it though and you never know you might even find a better way if you keep an open mind.
Good postbball wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:37 pmThis Is TBs area of expertise. However, I will make an attempt to offer a simple understanding. Whole corn is roughly 9% protein. Approximately 65% of that is bypass protein, meaning the cow absorbs it in the small intestine and it is not broken down by the rumen microorganisms. The remaining 35% is used by the fauna in the rumen for their own growth and protein synthesis. Consequently, diets high in corn, in order to optimize the nutrition available from corn, require protein supplementation. Think of it like this, and this is extremely simplistic I know, but essentially the rumen microbes need protein to grow and synthesis additional proteins; so you are feeding the microbes protein so the cow can use the corn in the most ideal way possible. The microbes do the work to break down the corn and you have to feed the microbes if you want them to work.rjbovine wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:24 pmI agree I should have hay tested . Feeding the corn I'm ok with . I asking more about adding the 34% supplement to the corn . These are fall calving cows with calves on them . Also there isn't much pasture mostly dry lot. Keeping an eye on the poop is a good idea.Thanks rj
If I didn’t know y’all were in the show cattle business and in a colder climate I’d have to question feeding corn at all with your 15-16% hay.
At the risk of being accused of patronizing you , you post some excellent pics of quality winter forages. Looks like you do a great job with it too. I am a bit envious. Currently, we have 43 cows out on approximately 300 acres of corn stubble. Its an odd year because there is more corn than my FIL has ever seen in his 60 plus years farming that farm. We arent sure if it was ear drop, different combine head, travel speed, but there is so much corn out there, we had to divide off a 70 acre loafing area. We let them clean the corn up here, controlled, until there is no risk of foundering. On the remaining acres, we can only let them out for an hour at a time per day(so they don't founder) for at least another month before it's safe to cut them out longer. Its amazing how much corn they can find and eat in an hours time.callmefence wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:18 amThe pasture the cows are in now. Bermuda grass with Kline and bluestem in the brush.
The plowed ground is oats just starting to peek.
I plowed it up deep because I'm gonna sprig it in February-march. The cows will be moved in a
Clover no tilled into Bermuda.
They will be going here oats , notilled into hybrid Sudan. Lots of native grass around this field as well.
Some oats right outside the house. Both me and Dad can hunt from our houses.
Some of my hayfields were planted by my husband about 15 years ago (30 acres) and the 50 acres I rent was planted back in 1987. I think we have frost seeded some clover in it maybe 2-3 times to get a different variety in it. But, clover grows on our ground natural. It's generally a small clover, but it's there. We put up baleage generally about June 7-10. Mostly mixture of grasses, generally "in boot".1982vett wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:18 amIf I didn’t know y’all were in the show cattle business and in a colder climate I’d have to question feeding corn at all with your 15-16% hay.