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Shipping from southeast

Post by Midtenn » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:28 pm

The thread on breeds board got me wanting to post about something I've been studying for awhile. Has anyone run the numbers on shipping preconditioned calve from say Tennessee to some of the better markets say OKC, Joplin or elsewhere. I can't seem to get a grasp on what size, age, time of year, etc would be most profitable. Not sure how much shrink one would get but seems a little shrink might bring a better price per pound. In my case with both a spring and fall calving herd I would have to do mixed loads steers and heifers, typical load for me would be 90% black and bwf, 5% charx, 5% with 1/8 ear....all angus sired. I've even considered trying a 32' gooseneck load not sure if it would pay over a 9-10 hour drive but I'm thinking it would. I'm not really asking a specific question here just wanting to start a discussion.

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Bigfoot » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:39 pm

It would be a license to print money, hot shotting calves from here, 8 hours west.
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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:47 pm

Got a friend in eastern Arkansas 40 miles from Memphis TN that sends to OKC. Always big loads though. He sends precondition calves 2-3 days before they sell.
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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by jehosofat » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:03 pm

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Lucky » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:19 pm

OKC or ElReno both have good sales. It’s about $4.25 a mile to ship calves by the truck load. The thing for you guys would be the shrink. ElReno (OKC West) has a Facebook page that has sale videos, check it out if you haven’t yet.

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Chocolate Cow2 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:32 pm

We bought loads and loads of cattle from Eastern. We got caught up in the mess when it went down. For the most part, the calves were good but it sure depended on how fast a load could be put together. If Eastern was still in business, we'd still be buying. I guess this doesn't have much to do with the OP-just remembering what once was.

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by True Grit Farms » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:36 pm

kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:47 pm
Got a friend in eastern Arkansas 40 miles from Memphis TN that sends to OKC. Always big loads though. He sends precondition calves 2-3 days before they sell.
Sure miss his pictures. :D
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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Midtenn » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:42 pm

Lucky wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:19 pm
OKC or ElReno both have good sales. It’s about $4.25 a mile to ship calves by the truck load. The thing for you guys would be the shrink. ElReno (OKC West) has a Facebook page that has sale videos, check it out if you haven’t yet.
49,000 here at $1.30 = $63,700
49,000 x 5% additional shrink = 46,550 at ElReno at $1.50 =$69,825
Minus trucking 678x4.25 = $2881
$69,825-$2881 = $66,944
Profit of $3244 if my assumptions of shrink and price difference are close
If not, then maybe it's a starting point for further discussion?
Remember even selling here we have 3-4% shrink on precondition calves in the first few hours. I think the shrink slows down the longer on the truck or in the yards. Yes there's more overall, but the faster shrink is in the first few hours.

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Bigfoot » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:43 pm

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:32 pm
We bought loads and loads of cattle from Eastern. We got caught up in the mess when it went down. For the most part, the calves were good but it sure depended on how fast a load could be put together. If Eastern was still in business, we'd still be buying. I guess this doesn't have much to do with the OP-just remembering what once was.
Eastern ruined a few Christmases that year.
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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Midtenn » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:45 pm

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:32 pm
We bought loads and loads of cattle from Eastern. We got caught up in the mess when it went down. For the most part, the calves were good but it sure depended on how fast a load could be put together. If Eastern was still in business, we'd still be buying. I guess this doesn't have much to do with the OP-just remembering what once was.
I'm 4 miles from Eastern. Small world. What do you buy cattle to put on grass or feed?

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Midtenn » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:45 pm

Bigfoot wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:43 pm
Chocolate Cow2 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:32 pm
We bought loads and loads of cattle from Eastern. We got caught up in the mess when it went down. For the most part, the calves were good but it sure depended on how fast a load could be put together. If Eastern was still in business, we'd still be buying. I guess this doesn't have much to do with the OP-just remembering what once was.
Eastern ruined a few Christmases that year.
It was a bad deal all the way around from what I heard.

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:53 pm

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:32 pm
We bought loads and loads of cattle from Eastern. We got caught up in the mess when it went down. For the most part, the calves were good but it sure depended on how fast a load could be put together. If Eastern was still in business, we'd still be buying. I guess this doesn't have much to do with the OP-just remembering what once was.
Gone in name only. Business still going
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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by bird dog » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:16 pm

There used to be a poster on here that shipped from south Louisiana all the way to OKC so its not unheard of. I would ship at least two days early to OKC west. They keep them in a smaller pen with fresh water and are fed multiple times a day if they are cleaning it up. I shipped 300 miles and they recovered all of my shrink and had a small gain. Color doesn't matter to that crowd as much as health and quality. You also don't want to ship more than 1/4 ear especially going into winter.
They need to be long weaned and eating well from a trough. It also helps if the weather is moderate and going to stay that way for a few days.

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:27 pm

Won't be no shrink at OKC if you ship a few days before the sale. OKC is not your regular sale barn.

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Re: Shipping from southeast

Post by Bigfoot » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:47 pm

Midtenn wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:42 pm
Lucky wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:19 pm
OKC or ElReno both have good sales. It’s about $4.25 a mile to ship calves by the truck load. The thing for you guys would be the shrink. ElReno (OKC West) has a Facebook page that has sale videos, check it out if you haven’t yet.
49,000 here at $1.30 = $63,700
49,000 x 5% additional shrink = 46,550 at ElReno at $1.50 =$69,825
Minus trucking 678x4.25 = $2881
$69,825-$2881 = $66,944
Profit of $3244 if my assumptions of shrink and price difference are close
If not, then maybe it's a starting point for further discussion?
Remember even selling here we have 3-4% shrink on precondition calves in the first few hours. I think the shrink slows down the longer on the truck or in the yards. Yes there's more overall, but the faster shrink is in the first few hours.
Can’t be a calf sold here verses a calf sold there, minus fuel and shrink. Has to be a calf bought here, weaned and running straight. 60 days off momma, and 90-100 pounds heavier. You get 50,000 pounds together, and it’d be a shame to take them to a yard. That’s a here they are, come get em amount.
Your not a small business owner. Your a stay at home mom trapped in a pyramid scheme.

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