Generic Trace Mineral Blocks

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Re: Generic Trace Mineral Blocks

Postby TexasBred » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:49 am

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cjmc wrote:I sure can! Its a superpower i have. I call it "the ability to balance probabilities"


Well, you should give that up, it makes you look foolish.
The fact of the matter is that if you don't know what a person is short of or isn't short of in their feed you CAN NOT say what they do or do not need as a supplement. Therefore you can not say for certain whether or not cattle could get what they may need from TM salt. All your figuring is pointless without the only facts that matter: what cows presently getting.

Make no mistake, if my cattle showed any sign of mineral deficiency they would get mineral. I am simply not willing to fix something that aint broken, and I think people need to question just exactly what they give their cattle and why, not just pour money into input because some character claiming super powers told them it was necessary.

Silver, Silver, Silver, you're ok fella....and apparently so are your cattle,but IF you should ever have mineral deficiencies please do not depend on TM salt blocks to remedy the problem. You will learn quickly and painfully just how wrong you are.
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Re: Generic Trace Mineral Blocks

Postby callmefence » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:39 am

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Your regurgitating something you read on the internet. You know nothing of silvers cattle.[/quote]

Knowing his cattle is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if his cattle are black, white, or the best in the world. The original poster asked if TM salt blocks were of any value. I went trough the math showing how little mineral they supplied thus showing that it is very unlikely cattle consuming those blocks would meet all their vitamin and mineral requirements, and therefore probably not worth using. Silver then proceeded to imply his cattle were not mineral deficient/he only needed blocks like the ones we were talking about. He then used Alberta agriculture website as a source about how I was wrong about copper (which i wasn't that website just suggested supplementing a level other than 100% of the requirement). So i then went to that website and cut and pasted them saying the majority of Canada was deficient in copper, zinc, manganese, selenium, and Iodine and cattle needed those minerals supplement, thus showing (using his source) that I can say with a high degree of probability his cattle are deficient in at LEAST ONE vitamin or mineral. Would a $90 mineral program help his bottom line? No idea, I never said it would. I only said blocks like the ones at TSC aren't very good.[/quote]

We've had cattle here for 5 generations.
Been using blocks since I was alive. Before that nothing i would reckon.
I am the first to ever buy mineral in a bag . But I don't buy much. A little high mag for winter pasture.
I haven't googled anything or pulled up any studies. My statement is based on what my eyes have seen .Minerals or a perfect example of fools being parted from their money. The same company that makes the trace blocks makes bag minerals. In certain conditions of alot of animals on limited variety of forage.
Minerals may be needed.
But if it ain't broke... don't fix it.
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Re: Generic Trace Mineral Blocks

Postby TexasBred » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:33 pm

callmefence wrote: The same company that makes the trace blocks makes bag minerals. In certain conditions of alot of animals on limited variety of forage.
Minerals may be needed.
But if it ain't broke... don't fix it.


One small correction Fence. The companies that make trace mineral blocks are SALT companies.....not mineral companies.
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Re: Generic Trace Mineral Blocks

Postby Nesikep » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Silver wrote:
TexasBred wrote:Let's just use the word "minerals" for simplicity. All should be in a good mineral at a beneficial level, all should be balanced to reduce one being antagonistic to the action of another, all should be in a form that can be easily utilized by the cattle. All listed above are trace minerals. Some micro, some macro but all minerals. For all practical purposes a trace mineral salt block is a salt block. It just happens to have about a half a day's supply of trace mineral in the entire block and most of that is red iron oxide to give it color and make you feel good about your purchase.


You are of course quite welcome to lump trace minerals together with mineral. And it could well be that in your particular situation that TM salt provides only 1/2 a days worth of trace mineral for your animals well being (is there not a half days worth in the feed they are getting?). It could also be entirely possible that for others the available trace minerals in TM salt are adequate to top off their animals needs.
It seems to me that many people feed loose mineral because they know their feed is lacking, because conception rates are low, or because herd health is not optimum. But if these problems are not present and excellent feed or forage is available at all times (and I know this is the exception rather than the rule) I have to wonder why one would choose to go to the added expense of feeding more that TM salt?


I had a blood test done on a very productive cow that had conception problems.. she was VERY low in phosphorus, copper and Selenium.. like under 1/2 the recommended blood levels after 4 months of lactation... Trace blocks have NO phosphorus, so they're not going to do me any good, I did find some good bagged mineral that's designed for my area with much better selenium and copper as well, and the whole herd has been better off because of it.. That said, I feed it when they need it most, and I do mix it with salt.. On a herd of 20 cows they will easily eat the profit out of one or maybe even two calves in a year... So the way i'm looking at it is I am still putting selective pressure on the ones that need less (there are differences between breeds and individuals) but trying not to go broke one way or the other. I feed them the minerals a couple months before calving to a 8 weeks into breeding season, and then a bit here and there the rest of the year.
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Re: Generic Trace Mineral Blocks

Postby callmefence » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:01 pm

Nesikep wrote:
Silver wrote:
TexasBred wrote:Let's just use the word "minerals" for simplicity. All should be in a good mineral at a beneficial level, all should be balanced to reduce one being antagonistic to the action of another, all should be in a form that can be easily utilized by the cattle. All listed above are trace minerals. Some micro, some macro but all minerals. For all practical purposes a trace mineral salt block is a salt block. It just happens to have about a half a day's supply of trace mineral in the entire block and most of that is red iron oxide to give it color and make you feel good about your purchase.


You are of course quite welcome to lump trace minerals together with mineral. And it could well be that in your particular situation that TM salt provides only 1/2 a days worth of trace mineral for your animals well being (is there not a half days worth in the feed they are getting?). It could also be entirely possible that for others the available trace minerals in TM salt are adequate to top off their animals needs.
It seems to me that many people feed loose mineral because they know their feed is lacking, because conception rates are low, or because herd health is not optimum. But if these problems are not present and excellent feed or forage is available at all times (and I know this is the exception rather than the rule) I have to wonder why one would choose to go to the added expense of feeding more that TM salt?


I had a blood test done on a very productive cow that had conception problems.. she was VERY low in phosphorus, copper and Selenium.. like under 1/2 the recommended blood levels after 4 months of lactation... Trace blocks have NO phosphorus, so they're not going to do me any good, I did find some good bagged mineral that's designed for my area with much better selenium and copper as well, and the whole herd has been better off because of it.. That said, I feed it when they need it most, and I do mix it with salt.. On a herd of 20 cows they will easily eat the profit out of one or maybe even two calves in a year... So the way i'm looking at it is I am still putting selective pressure on the ones that need less (there are differences between breeds and individuals) but trying not to go broke one way or the other. I feed them the minerals a couple months before calving to a 8 weeks into breeding season, and then a bit here and there the rest of the year.


I buy phosphorus by the ton and sling it all over creation. I need to pour it down their mouth to??
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Re: Generic Trace Mineral Blocks

Postby Nesikep » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:28 pm

having soil that's rich in it definitely would go a long way in reducing their need for it via supplement
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