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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by bird dog » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:27 am

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If a cow aborts here she never gets a second chance to do it. They must produce income every year even if it happens to be themself.
So do you also cull the cow if a wolf gets her calf? Or to put it another way, how do you know what happens to her calf unless you see it happen?



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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by cowgal604 » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:08 am

This is all proof I’m a terrible farmer haha. If one loses a calf I almost always give them another chance. I feel the saddest for those girls. I tend to keep them forever...

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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by 76 Bar » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:30 am

I give selenium, but only at birth.
If your area is Se deficient, injectable is at best a stop gap solution and of limited efficacy i.e. ~ 4-8 weeks.
If a cow aborts here she never gets a second chance to do it.
Concur wholeheartedly and especially as it pertains to 1st calf heifers.
So do you also cull the cow if a wolf gets her calf? Or to put it another way, how do you know what happens to her calf unless you see it happen?
Apples & oranges.

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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by MurraysMutts » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:33 am

I have kept several that lost the calf thru no fault of their own. Got a couple like that this year actually.
One was what I believe a snake bite. It was heartbreaking. Mama was standing over her calf mooing for all she could to get that baby up.
The other was pneumonia that I didnt catch.

The one that aborted this year I didnt care much for anyway. She was always very high strung. Was glad to be rid of her. I'll find a better one to replace her.

Gotta weigh ur options....

In this particular case I would keep her if shes does well. If she does it again, time for a career change for the cow.
The problem u are describing, sounds to me like an individual cow problem. I try to get rid of individuals that have real problems. Hopefully it was a one time thing. Heifers will be heifers..
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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by MurraysMutts » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:43 am

Bright Raven wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:57 pm
cowgal604 wrote:
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The lack of thriftiness and odd behavior suggests that there could be something infectious going on. If this is a repeat early calf (basically an abortion if she is calving before the calf can sustain life), it might be warranted to conduct an antibody test to determine if she has an infectious disease like Neospora or BVD, etc.
If she loses this next one we will do more testing. We are nose flapping our calves this weekend and I’m going to try and get her through the squeeze. Anything I can do now to try and prevent what happened last time?
A vet could examine her based on what happened last year and her current symptoms. That is my suggestion.
Good advice. Wont cost much and that's one thing u can rule out. Or just wait and get what ya get..
Please let everyone know what happens.
I know I'm anxiously awaiting the outcome!
And ur not a terrible farmer! U show great concern and compassion for ur animals. That's one of the things it takes to do this.
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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by cowgal604 » Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:13 pm

MurraysMutts wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:43 am
Bright Raven wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:57 pm
cowgal604 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:04 pm


If she loses this next one we will do more testing. We are nose flapping our calves this weekend and I’m going to try and get her through the squeeze. Anything I can do now to try and prevent what happened last time?
A vet could examine her based on what happened last year and her current symptoms. That is my suggestion.
Good advice. Wont cost much and that's one thing u can rule out. Or just wait and get what ya get..
Please let everyone know what happens.
I know I'm anxiously awaiting the outcome!
And ur not a terrible farmer! U show great concern and compassion for ur animals. That's one of the things it takes to do this.
We had her looked at. Sees no issues. But I’ve heard that before! We will just play this out I suppose. She is a very big cow. Not weight wise but height. Very tall. Very oddly tall. Stands by far the tallest I’ve ever had. And narrow. It’s like her frame just isn’t built for this.

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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by gcreekrch » Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:49 pm

bird dog wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:27 am
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:36 pm
If a cow aborts here she never gets a second chance to do it. They must produce income every year even if it happens to be themself.
So do you also cull the cow if a wolf gets her calf? Or to put it another way, how do you know what happens to her calf unless you see it happen?
A cow that won't or can't carry a calf to full term is giving indication her production days will likely be limited. One that loses a calf to a wolf has no choice, if she is a good cow she usually stays.
Some outfits cull every dry regardless. Maybe we are too lenient...
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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by bird dog » Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:48 pm

<<Maybe we are too lenient...>>
You aren't near as lenient as most of us. I'm sure I keep way to many especially if they are young and good. To me I have just to much invested in the ones I keep, money, genetics and time. I don't want to just get slaughter price for the animal, but I also don't want to dump my problems on someone else by selling her as a bred.
I am also concerned with what I replace her with won't be much better unless there is a herd sellout or something that brings some good cows to the barn.

Some of my best cows were the open ones from a herd sell out.

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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by Cdcollett » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:13 pm

Your all in on her right now so let her do her thing. Might work out...might be educational. I’d cull her based on that description you gave of her anyway
“ Very tall. Very oddly tall. Stands by far the tallest I’ve ever had. And narrow”.
Not sure why you gave that one a second chance but hope it works out for you.

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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by MurraysMutts » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:21 pm

I've got one of them myself. Dont know what shes made of, but shes almost freakishly tall. Grows a whopper every year tho! Shes a really good one. Gotta have a good bull. I gave the last one a step stool. Somehow he figured it out on his own and took a poop on my stool!

Edit, I take that back. Shes got some chianina in her.
So I guess I do know a bit about her. Standing next to her it's difficult to see over her back. I gotta dig up a picture now... lol. Sheesh

Hows that mama doing?
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Re: Pregnant cow that lost her first

Post by MurraysMutts » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 pm

cowgal604 wrote:
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I have a cow that is about 8 months pregnant. She lost her first calf last year. It was a bit early and there was something up with the calf. Possible deformity and calving issue. She had a retained placenta after she delivered the dead calf which needed intervention.

Before she calved she was acting off. Just lazy, slow and very large. She got so big she looked like she couldn't walk well. Always the last to get to grain, always sitting on her own. Looking like she was ready to go for weeks, then the calf died. Normal behaviour for a big pregnant girl, but exaggerated. If she could talk it would be nothing but complaining haha.

Well she’s doing that all again. She’s massive. She’s lazy. She’s spending lots of time alone. But I think she is still at least 1-1.5 months away. I’m expecting this calf late January.

Her first calf was large. 90lbs and early. She is impossible to get into the squeeze when she’s in a mood. The advice last year on here on her calf was to start my herd on a mineral program in case that was the issue and I have done that.

What would you do if this was your cow? Just wait and see? I’ve just got a bad feeling about this! My mom has mentioned her odd behaviour to me everyday this week. Which is how the start of her last calf went.
Any updates?
Getting towards the last half of the month...
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