Calf Uniformity ?

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Calf Uniformity ?

Post by Stocker Steve » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:05 am

We run two or three breeding herds. Last year we had two new BA herd sires on seperate herds. Both threw nice calves, but one was noticeably more uniform. How often do you see this, and how often does it carry through into the second generation?


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Re: Calf Uniformity ?

Post by Ebenezer » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:25 am

Loaded question. Yes there are some sires that are more prepotent in phenotype. The loaded part: is the cow base prepotent or all over the bell curve? In linebred cattle the 2nd generation is a better bet, In a line crossed herd, don't bet the farm.

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Re: Calf Uniformity ?

Post by 1982vett » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:31 am

In my opinion, it mostly depends on how uniform your cows are.
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Re: Calf Uniformity ?

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:44 am

1982vett wrote:
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In my opinion, it mostly depends on how uniform your cows are.
That is true, but a bull can have a short dumpy dam and a long tall sire, but turned out to be perfect size. His offspring can swing to the extreme of the pendulum. As Ebenezer said - some bulls are more prepotent in phenotype and will really stamp his offspring.
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Re: Calf Uniformity ?

Post by 1982vett » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:09 am

Yep, can’t guarantee what genetics is going to do every time.
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Re: Calf Uniformity ?

Post by Stocker Steve » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:55 am

We cull hard, but it was a put together herd, and includes a number of F1s.
Had been using fancy Sim Angus bulls, but their calves were all over the bell curve.
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Re: Calf Uniformity ?

Post by Stickney94 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:52 pm

My sample sizes are miniscule compared to many on this board, but as Ebenezer said some do a far better job. The Hoover Dam calves have ALL been consistent (males/females). Even my 9yo son can pick out the HD calves, no matter what their mother was. They just have a look from head to pastern.

As far as both 2nd generation or F1 cross, having had a number of HD offspring via those routes I'd say there is still consistency. For example, our JerseyxHD cross steers look like HD steers (with a bit less rump). Our HD cows throw very consistent cattle with an HD look even with HD as merely the grandsire.

My Hickok calves this year are also consistent. Long hair and ugly. But at least consistent, haha. I used a Wagyu bull a couple years ago and I will say his offspring (all steers) look earily like the ORIgen photo (he was a big wagyu sire, so they look more angus less corriente, haha)

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Re: Calf Uniformity ?

Post by gcreekrch » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:07 pm

I could not tell you one sire's calves from another here but a generally uniform type regardless of breed and a short calving window creates the uniformity here. 375 steer calves here sold in two lots with a dozen dinks left behind.
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