Somethings Happen....

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Somethings Happen....

Post by Bright Raven » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:00 pm

....and you never know the cause.

We had a bad storm with a lot of wind Tuesday about 4:30 PM. On Wednesday the bred cows which are on the middle pasture that runs all the way to the back of the farm did not come up. They usually, 5 times out of 6, come to the front of the farm.

This morning I took the Utility vehicle to the back wondering if a tree went down on the fence. On the drive, I saw a huge Pignut Hickory down. All around the crown, the cows had eaten the leaves. And everyone who has seen my pictures knows it is not because they were hungry. I assume they just like tree leaves.

When I got to the back, I could not find one of the bred heifers. She is due to calve September 2 (based on 285 days) to Shell Shocked. When I found her, she was licking a dead calf.

I don't think it as anything to do with eating the Pignut Hickory leaves. Here she is in the first picture and the dead calf in the second.
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Buck Randall » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:08 pm

Nice heifer. Bad luck.

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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by sim.-ang.king » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:18 pm

Possible injury during the excitement from the storm? Doesn't seem likely this late in the game she would abort from that, but possible.
Poke around in some of the manure pies, might have some clues on if it's something she ate.
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Bright Raven » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:23 pm

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:18 pm
Possible injury during the excitement from the storm? Doesn't seem likely this late in the game she would abort from that, but possible.
Poke around in some of the manure pies, might have some clues on if it's something she ate.
I thought about the injury cause. I got one cow that is top of the pecking order. I just cringe when I see her exert her position. She delivers some vicious head butts. I have wondered on more than one occasion when she gives them a blow to the belly what it might do to a pregnancy. But who knows.
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Silver » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:43 pm

Well that sucks. Sorry about your luck. Like you say, sometimes things happen.

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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by callmefence » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:48 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:00 pm
....and you never know the cause.

We had a bad storm with a lot of wind Tuesday about 4:30 PM. On Wednesday the bred cows which are on the middle pasture that runs all the way to the back of the farm did not come up. They usually, 5 times out of 6, come to the front of the farm.

This morning I took the Utility vehicle to the back wondering if a tree went down on the fence. On the drive, I saw a huge Pignut Hickory down. All around the crown, the cows had eaten the leaves. And everyone who has seen my pictures knows it is not because they were hungry. I assume they just like tree leaves.

When I got to the back, I could not find one of the bred heifers. She is due to calve September 2 (based on 285 days) to Shell Shocked. When I found her, she was licking a dead calf.

I don't think it as anything to do with eating the Pignut Hickory leaves. Here she is in the first picture and the dead calf in the second.
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Sorry Raven
It would sure be easy to blame the leaves wouldn't it. Course all the cows ate the leaves probably. Maybe just the storm x her being a heifer ....but yeah definitely poke around in the manure.... things happen.
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by bball » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:59 pm

Well that's awful BR! Hope this is the only hiccup for your upcoming calving season. Always sucks to lose one, no matter if you have 3 or 3000. Things happen is right....
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Post by gcreekrch » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:57 pm

Of all the luck, he who has, must lose.
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by wbvs58 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:16 am

Not the best Ron. $hit has been happening here this year Ron, 2 aborted and 2 missing though haven't given up on the missing ones yet. It is a big chunk out of my small herd, all 4 were early AI bred. Things are pretty tough here so this is to be expected. Hoping for some relief come spring though the long term outlook is not promising.

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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Caustic Burno » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:00 am

My place is covered up in hickory and oaks. Anytime a tree is cut the cows are like they are in a candy store.
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Bright Raven » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:44 am

callmefence wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:48 pm
Bright Raven wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:00 pm
....and you never know the cause.

We had a bad storm with a lot of wind Tuesday about 4:30 PM. On Wednesday the bred cows which are on the middle pasture that runs all the way to the back of the farm did not come up. They usually, 5 times out of 6, come to the front of the farm.

This morning I took the Utility vehicle to the back wondering if a tree went down on the fence. On the drive, I saw a huge Pignut Hickory down. All around the crown, the cows had eaten the leaves. And everyone who has seen my pictures knows it is not because they were hungry. I assume they just like tree leaves.

When I got to the back, I could not find one of the bred heifers. She is due to calve September 2 (based on 285 days) to Shell Shocked. When I found her, she was licking a dead calf.

I don't think it as anything to do with eating the Pignut Hickory leaves. Here she is in the first picture and the dead calf in the second.
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Sorry Raven
It would sure be easy to blame the leaves wouldn't it. Course all the cows ate the leaves probably. Maybe just the storm x her being a heifer ....but yeah definitely poke around in the manure.... things happen.
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I don't think it was the Hickory leaves. I think it was an abnormality. Probably developmental. It happens and as they say - Nature Aborted her mission.

I use this kinda thing as motivation. I look at it like this. She is a very nice heifer. She got past her first calf. She is healthy and well. It is not her fault.
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Lucky_P » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:01 am

Without a full diagnostic workup, one is only just guessing - but even with all the parts/pieces/samples available, veterinary diagnosticians only come up with a definitive diagnosis in far less than half of cases - and success is even less if placenta and paired maternal serum samples are not available.
My best guess, at that stage of gestation, in our part of the world, would be Neospora; doubt that the hickory leaves had any association other than just coincidental timing.
I see folks suggesting, all the time, that other cows butting could cause abortion... but I doubt that it EVER happens. That fetus is well protected by hide, abdominal wall, uterine wall, and the fluid environment they're floating in. Hit by a fast-moving car or truck on the highway, maybe, but just another cow butting... nah.

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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Bright Raven » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:18 am

Lucky_P wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:01 am
Without a full diagnostic workup, one is only just guessing - but even with all the parts/pieces/samples available, veterinary diagnosticians only come up with a definitive diagnosis in far less than half of cases - and success is even less if placenta and paired maternal serum samples are not available.
My best guess, at that stage of gestation, in our part of the world, would be Neospora; doubt that the hickory leaves had any association other than just coincidental timing.
I see folks suggesting, all the time, that other cows butting could cause abortion... but I doubt that it EVER happens. That fetus is well protected by hide, abdominal wall, uterine wall, and the fluid environment they're floating in. Hit by a fast-moving car or truck on the highway, maybe, but just another cow butting... nah.
Do you recommend blood testing the heifer for Neospora?
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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by TCRanch » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:13 am

Bright Raven wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:18 am
Lucky_P wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:01 am
Without a full diagnostic workup, one is only just guessing - but even with all the parts/pieces/samples available, veterinary diagnosticians only come up with a definitive diagnosis in far less than half of cases - and success is even less if placenta and paired maternal serum samples are not available.
My best guess, at that stage of gestation, in our part of the world, would be Neospora; doubt that the hickory leaves had any association other than just coincidental timing.
I see folks suggesting, all the time, that other cows butting could cause abortion... but I doubt that it EVER happens. That fetus is well protected by hide, abdominal wall, uterine wall, and the fluid environment they're floating in. Hit by a fast-moving car or truck on the highway, maybe, but just another cow butting... nah.
Do you recommend blood testing the heifer for Neospora?
One of my friends had a positive test for Neospora a couple months ago. Took a while to get the results because our vet sent it to K-State but might be worth taking the fetus in. Not a darn thing you can do about it, though.

Sorry for your loss. Six years ago a fight broke out around the hay bales and a bunch of the cows took off through the draw, bucking & head-butting. One of them aborted the next day. As Lucky P stated, most likely not the cause but sometimes it just makes you feel better to blame something, anything, instead of always wondering why.

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Re: Somethings Happen....

Post by Nesikep » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:33 am

that sucks

Happens here too, though I'm quite sure it's from eating pine needles.. I've had a few of them lose a calf at about the same stage of development, and it's usually right after a heavy snowfall... They usually can't reach the branches but the snow weighs them down and those dumb %#$#$ cows have to go eat them... I've been cutting a few down but there's tons here.
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