Bull not doing his job?

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Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:41 am

We have a new yearling bull out with 20 cows. How do you know if they're doing their job? We've never seen him completely mount a cow, never seen them hunched and straining like they do after they've been bred. Do we have to wait til we see them cycling again or what do you look for? Our other new bull we've seen at work lots!



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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by Ky hills » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:05 pm

Sometimes you don't see much out of them, but typically a young bull will be very noticeable following them around. Did he have a BSE before turnout? Do you see much signs of heat activity with the cows?

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:09 pm

What is a BSE? He was semen tested, bought him at a public sale where we've been buying for the last 8 years..

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:14 pm

Body score evaluation? He looks great, my favourite yearling we've ever bought of course..

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:16 pm

Semen test in most cases is a bse. Be on the watch for cows you have seen in heat to recycle. You can catch them returning to heat faster than you can preg check them.

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by Ky hills » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:18 pm

JCcattle wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:09 pm
What is a BSE? He was semen tested, bought him at a public sale where we've been buying for the last 8 years..
BSE is a Breeding Soundness Evaluation, of which a semen check is part. He passed it I'm sure or he wouldn't have been sold for a breeding animal.

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:26 pm

Yes. Well at the sale he hadn't passed quite but they kept him a couple months and retested and brought him to us later

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by bird dog » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:32 pm

Is he the only bull in the pasture? Exactly how old is he?

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:55 pm

Only bull. He is 16 months.

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:09 pm

Is there a certain amount of time a cow keeps her tail out after being bred? Heifers really show it, but maybe a cow doesn't so much? He's a bit timid whenever we are around even parking on the road and watching, so thats really annoying. I've been trying to spend time out there today to watch him with a cow in heat. He will make little lunges at her but never do his front feet even lift off

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:27 pm

Yes it looks like she's just waiting. Course I can't sit here all day, I have a 8 month baby to look after too

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by bball » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:48 pm

Watch him. See which cow/s he is following that day. Write the date down. Observe that cow again at 21 days or there abouts. Is he tailing her again? Also, watch to see if hes chinning any of them. Young bulls like that usually are so excited they dont know which way to turn. Have you seen him attempt to mount any?
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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:57 pm

bball wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:48 pm
Watch him. See which cow/s he is following that day. Write the date down. Observe that cow again at 21 days or there abouts. Is he tailing her again? Also, watch to see if hes chinning any of them. Young bulls like that usually are so excited they dont know which way to turn. Have you seen him attempt to mount any?
I would suggest he go home mark which cow he was after on the calendar. Count 18 days from today and start watching for her to come in to heat again.

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by JCcattle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:09 pm

Ok, we will just wait! The earliest recorded cow was May 27 so we will start watching 18 days for her from then. Also will definitely keep and eye on that stinker to see if he does actually do what he's supposed to. Also might try that chalk trick if we get them closer to corral system.

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Re: Bull not doing his job?

Post by TCRanch » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:11 pm

How hot is it in western Canada? Sometimes they're stealth breeders at night/very early morning when it's cooler. I also look for muddy flanks or hair rubbed on the cow(s) in question. But agree with keeping track of which cows he's hanging around with & see if they come back into heat.

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